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Richie

Taiwan should loudly accept reunification with mainland China with the precondition of democracy for the Chinese.

JG

Yeah, it's great that another side-effect of 9/11 is that 'democracy by force' has become such a central plank of GOP policy & so it's heartening to see GWB welcoming Nursultan Nazarbayev, president of Kazakhstan to the US. This guy is amazingly popular, by most accounts winning 90% of that country's democratic election (the MSM was predictably skeptical though!), which is fortunate because a strong leader is required for the transition to a green country. Even better is the vast unlocked mineral wealth to be found in Kazakhstan which can be released by close ties to the US; that way we get gas & they get to increase their GDP while strengthening their ties as allies in the War On Terror against the Muslim scourge - a virtuous circle indeed.

Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be going so well in Afghanistan & Iraq, but surely one of the other beneficial side-effects of removing the Taleban is the massive increase in the opium trade. This will allow the citizens there to increase their GDP (plus leftists can get a steady supply of smack...lol!) & join the ranks of the green countries.
Iraq maybe a mess now (or so we are told by MSM) but come 2008, as other postings predict, it will indeed be a beacon despite all the odds stacked against it - with the amount of US taxpayers dollars being spent there how could it NOT be a storming success story?

Tushar D

JG, apart from copious amounts of snark, do you actually have a point here?

JG

What do you mean by snark, Tushar?

GK

Note that the article said "Leftists, who are generally opposed to democracy, have attempted to sabotage these efforts".

JG has confirmed the priorities of leftist ideology.

Chuck the Lucky

Tushar probably means that you are as transparent as empty space and that you are adopting the facade of a fellow evil old neo-con Bushie to set up a straw man of what you see as their position. He just didn't assumed that you would have so much contempt for readers as to think that we would all fall for it and play dumb when challenged. He thus assumed that you were being sarcastic, not stupid.

If you are going to use sophistries to substitute for reason, you might want to at least become good at sophistry.

Chuck the Lucky

Interesting how JG ignores Jimmy Carter's love affair with Hugo Chavez. And Castro's popularity with the left.

JG

That was not the welcome I was expecting Chuck but thanks for clarifying GK's crytic comment!
I am perplexed as to how finding a blog & agreeing with the posts therein makes me a sophist & a leftist sympathiser. Are you a teensy bit paranoid?
I suppose it's an easy mindset to fall into when MSM is so against the actions in Afghanistan & Iraq, but not me, I am proud that GWB is carrying the flag of freedom around the world!
I look forward to reading future posts plus the back-catalog, & remember, it's not easy to be a visionary, look what happened to Galileo!

Chuck the Lucky

I can't believe you still think you are fooling anyone. Can you not just read your own comments and see that they are in no way convincing? Every comment in this thread has pegged you as a leftist wearing a home made right-wing sock puppet.

If you are really not a moonbat you will probably find this link and the movies it contains interesting.

Tushar D

JG, I think you are a Moby. Now don't ask me what that means.

Bingo Bango Boingo

Freedom House, which the OP relies upon, states that Kazakhstan is 'not free'. Question: is it OK for the US to align itself with the government of a 'not free' country in order to serve the broader purpose of spreading democracy elsewhere?

Also, if I criticise one person for apparent hypocrisy, does that mean I need to list every other instance of similar wrongdoing for me to maintain credibility? I note that Chuck the Lucky's post re: Jimmy Carter and Hugo Chavez doesn't actually address the Kazakhstan issue.

BBB

GK

BBB,

Yes, it is. There is the concept of the greater evil.

The US had to align with Stalin to defeat someone who was even worse, and our direct enemy, Hitler.

If Egypt, Kuwait, the UAE, Pakistan, and Jordan are occasionally helpful to us in some capacity in the WoT, would it be sane to turn them down?

Kazakhstan isn't quite a country with mass graves that invades its neighbors and threatens to obliterate Israel, you know. I thought the left says that we should do more to reach out to moderate Muslims? That we should form more alliances?

By the same token, was France not wrong to side with Saddam against the US, if France is supposedly a proponent of democracy and human rights?

JG

Exactly right GK, those surrendering cheese monkeys side with anyone to benefit their economic progress, no matter how much of a tyrant!

If Kazakhstan can help us stem the flow in the War on Terror and we can help them boost their GDP to become a 'green' country, then we would indeed be insane not to pursue the realpolitik involved - even if they are Muslims.

I for one, don't believe that GWB will make the same mistakes that have been made in the past, when it comes to supporting regimes the leftists despise: his policies are much more intelligent, linked, as they are, to the spread of freedom.

JG

Tushar, is Moby that bald, vegan electronica guy? From New York.
I don't listen to any of that plinky plonky garbage, so if there's a message in one of his songs that you're trying to convey, I'm afraid it's lost on me.

JG

Chuck, maybe you could give us your view on Kazakhstan? Do you agree with GK or does the realpolitik make you uncomfortable?

Tushar D

JG, your favourite musician Moby suggested in some forum that Liberals should go to Conservative websites disguised as Conservatives, and sow dissention. After that, anyone who tries that trick is called a Moby. You have to be a really good Moby to not get caught. Some have succeeded. You have not.

JG

You seem to know an awful lot about him Tushar. Did he also say that the best way to hide that you're a Moby is to accuse someone else of being one?

Tushar D

>>Did he also say that the best way to hide that you're a Moby is to accuse someone else of being one?

Did I pretend to be either a Conservative or a Liberal?

Gang of One

Hello GK,
Please forgive the OT nature of this post. I would like to ask you a few questions regarding this phenomenon called the Singularity. I hvae clicked on your link to this, but do not find anything addressed to this as such. I don't want to take up bandwidth asking questions here, but if you would be so kind as to drop me a note at the e-mail address embedded in my nic, I would be most grateful.

Josh

These two events will trigger another wave of the democratic domino effect in countries throughout the continent of Asia.

How will this work?

GK

Josh,

What do you mean? How did so many countries (even outside of the former USSR) become free between 1972 and 2005?

Through democracy in neighboring countries.

Many Asian countries that are red or yellow have recently experienced huge increases in GDP growth rates. This often is followed by pressure for political freedom.

Josh

How did so many countries (even outside of the former USSR) become free between 1972 and 2005?

Through democracy in neighboring countries.

Step 1: Democracy in country A.

Step 2: ?????

Step 3: Democracy in neighboring country B.

What's step 2? Where do the underpants gnomes come into play?

GK

Josh,

This is explained in the article. As GDP growth increases, per capita incomes rise, and there is pressure within countries to reform. If a neighboring country has democracy, that also causes pressure to reform in an unfree country.

If you disagree, why don't you explain to us why so many countries (even outside of the former USSR) became free from 1972 to 2005. Also, do you think that the current level of 'green' countries has hit a ceiling, or that there is still a trend towards more freedom?

Chuck the Lucky

Kazakhstan is the issue now right? Not that JK was setting himself up as a living straw man. Okay. But as for as for BBB's statement:

"I note that Chuck the Lucky's post re: Jimmy Carter and Hugo Chavez doesn't actually address the Kazakhstan issue."

I was not trying to address the Kazakhstan issue in that comment. I was noting that someone who was posting in the manner of a left-wing smart-ass using a right-wing sock puppet was decrying hypocrisy of the president for dealing with a leader of an unfree nation to achieve a working relationship for an end that would promote development lives and stability in the region while ignoring how the left loves to meet with openly hostile leaders of unfree nations in order to... What exactly is that for again? Oh yeah, to promote instability, anti-Americanism, anti-Israel sentiment and doomed economic policies that lead to chaos. My point was that charges of hypocrisy are pretty weak when the skeleton in your own closet is 15 feet tall. So no you don't need to mention every other instance of hypocrisy when you make a charge of it. But if you are casually lobbing the label around it might be want to be standing on a part of the political landscape that is vulnerable to back splash.

But before I am accused of ducking the all important issue of Kazakhstan, of which I did not know this thread was about, let me give my answer. I approve of having only the relationship with a cooperating but unfavorable party that is needed to raise the sum total of free nations. America should have (and I believe has) criticized the Kazakhstan government (which, lets face it, is as unfree as it is because of Russian interference) but I would support a continued reassessment of their worth as a partner in Asia. Nazarbayev should be under no illusions of a long term favorable relationship without significant reforms.

But what about JG and BBB. Since you care so deeply about Kazakhstan and are not just using it as a means to distract from the topic of increasing democracy in the world, I wonder if you would call for sanctions and an end to all ties to the nation? Were such sanctions so effective in Iraq that you would ask the UN to repeat the procedure in Kazakhstan?

Josh

If a neighboring country has democracy, that also causes pressure to reform in an unfree country

How?

If you disagree, why don't you explain to us why so many countries (even outside of the former USSR) became free from 1972 to 2005.

My guess is that whether a country moves from non-freedom to freedom depends on a whole host of factors. While having free neighbors may play some role, I'd imagine that the political situation within a particular country would be the most important factor in whether it was able to transition from unfree to free. For example, many Middle Eastern countries are unfree, despite having a free neighbor in Israel.

Also, do you think that the current level of 'green' countries has hit a ceiling, or that there is still a trend towards more freedom?

Again, this would require a detailed analyisis of the political situation within each of the countries in question which would be more suited to an academic paper than a blog.

I hope that the green trend continues but I fear many of the countries on the map, most notably Russia and China, will not fall into the "free" category for some time. There may be an advance for freedom i n some of the smaller countries but I fear we may be in this situation where only about half the world enjoys basic political freedoms for a few decades. China in particular is a problem, as GDP is growing at a stupendous rate without much pressure to liberalize the country's politics.

GK

Gang of One,

The Technological Singularity is a theory which states that the accelerating rate of change on many fronts will continue to accelerate until it becomes 'human surpassing'. This could take many forms, such as a merger of artificial and human intelligence. But the form it takes is highly speculative.

Most futurists estimate that this will happen at some point in the 21st century. My own estimation is 2050.

Read this for more :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

Gang of One

GK,
Thanks for the definition. I did indeed go to Wiki and read up on it. Now I can better understand your articles regarding the theory.

Alex

JG

>GWB welcoming Nursultan Nazarbayev, president of Kazakhstan to the US.

Actually, he is a dictator elected in a democratic way... His views are very similar to the nationalistic ones, his goverment is oppressing minorities in its own country...


> Muslim scourge

Do you think that Muslims are the source of all problems in the contemporary world?
How foolish of you...

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Real democracy is still an unattainable ideal, and even then, there is no system in the world as a basis, rule or sense of comparison for evaluation of full and genuine democracy.
The processes of democracy are diverse and reflect the political, social and cultural development of each nation. Democracies are based on fundamental principles and practices not in uniform because there is no real model, perfect shape, or full copy of Democracy in the world, and there is no single model that fits all regions and all countries.
The system by which governs the self-centered, arrogant, extremist imperial regime of the United States of America, which to judge the champion of "democracy" for example, is nothing but a tyrannical power of the bourgeoisie and monopoly capital. Since, in the organization of American political power, all powers are united in the hands of the ruling class, which does not allow any threat to its rule, and that can not be contradicted, criticized or have organized opposition unfavorable prerogatives, ideals or bourgeois principles, for the capital and the interests of the bourgeoisie in the first place and has to be defended at any cost.
And, as a result, the U.S. imperial tyrannical regime, is always compressed in the narrow confines of the farm, and therefore always remains in essence a scheme for the minority bourgeois exploiter, uniquely for the propertied classes, only for the rich.
All noisy propaganda of "Democracy" in the United States of America, is but a thin layer, behind which it becomes increasingly difficult not to hide or disguise the big bourgeoisie and the dictatorship of monopoly capital.
Therefore, the disastrous U.S. imperial regime, is the exercise of a privileged minority and owner on the exploited majority, indigent, destitute and excluded. It is therefore the dominant minority bourgeois class dictatorship that exercises to strengthen, maintain or strengthen their positions.
The covert political regime and illusory national-imperialist "democratic" United States of America, is nothing but a circus, a sham, a fraud, a charade, a make-believe with marked cards, just to say it and deluding deals with "democracy" for the majority.
Therefore, the functions of political institutions of democracy "is to ensure the bourgeois class rule (dictatorship) of the bourgeoisie and their privileges.
The greedy imperial regime of the USA, is a form of nationalist government in which all powers to amass in the hands of groups linked to parties representing the interests of the bourgeoisie.
Therefore, the United States of America, only two major parties of the bourgeoisie alternate in power for decades and, in that consensus, cheat and deceive the majority, when representing and defending the interests of capital and social layer that holds privileges.
The Democratic and Republican parties are colluding with the commitments it has privileged minority, that is, each is supported by limited groups of the bourgeoisie and monopoly capital, which seek only to enrich and serve its own interests.
The two parties do not add anything to the majority, and even disguise the existence of simulating the position of ideological opposition to one another. But the essence is ever the same, ie in a broader sense, the bourgeoisie is always in charge, controlling or conducting quiet power with any form of administration (with its two or more parties similar) and, without objection on his dictatorship.
And the sight of this, both parties are representatives of the ruling class, and whose difference does not go much beyond the name. And this does not mean that the absolute majority of the people, or just want to just merely the existence of these two parties.
In the U.S., the Democratic and Republican parties are colluding, that consensus, deceive voters always delegate the representatives of the bourgeoisie and the Great Monopoly Capital: the power to decide all the time laws in favor of the ruling class. And, under these conditions the key positions in the organs of power in the world of capital, are always occupied by representatives of the bourgeoisie.
By the way, both parties have large space on the media in the Media and Advertising Agencies, which represents a powerful means of ideological influence and be exactly those which are under the domination of the ruling class that, while being privileged minority, however it is all powerful.
Voters are induced to error effectively, to think that deciding for either of the two parties will be changes, but nothing changes and the nature is always immutable.
Before that, no different character oppressive, hostile, aggressive and expansionist policy of obsessive imperial U.S., and, just to observe the way the nefarious American Empire, leads a negotiation in which gangster do diplomacy, in which bluff, bully Threaten and lie to the international community.
Well, it's like changing six per half dozen, as in the U.S., the two parties deceive the masses, and contribute greatly to reduce the influence of other parties and thus help to keep people trapped in bourgeois ideology.
It is true that there are other parties in the U.S., but that does not have a chance to compete with the economic power of these two parties of the bourgeoisie, in addition, U.S. law hinders maximum participation of other parties in elections inventing numerous subterfuges and legal obstacles, including for example, the need to collect thousands of signatures in a very short time held in the presence of witnesses and recorded notoriously obtaining licenses for the collectors of signatures, etc. And even if the other parties manage to overcome all barriers, electoral commissions often deprive us of the possibility of participating in elections under the pretext of the signatures were illegible or any other pretext invented.
Manipulation of consciousness of the population applies widely in the U.S., in order that the people always elect politicians who represent the interests of the bourgeoisie and monopoly capital - at all times to decide the laws to favor the privileged ruling class of income .
And, to manipulate the consciousness of the masses, the bourgeois propaganda extensively uses a special political language, which distorts and obscures the real meaning of events.
The pretense of legislating projects or social and political reforms, but mainly in order to safeguard, preserve, ensure and guarantee the power at any cost, or policy area the privileged minority, or the interests of the wealthy class of society - the venal, mendacious and wicked political representatives as elected representatives of the bourgeoisie, hinder, or always get the achievements by the people, which is benefiting the vast majority of the population.
And this cunning scheme of deceptions, the word "democracy" is just a slogan used by the bourgeoisie to keep themselves in power, or achieve goals and objectives, tricking or deceiving the vast majority of the people.
Though only palliative make concessions to the popular masses, or even political maneuvers, face the danger of revolutionary crisis, or even argue that the people live in a society whose "democracy" reflects the will and interests of the majority, the which all have opportunities to achieve goals and objectives, without prejudice or distinction, and where everyone can reach.
In the U.S. the "freedom of speech and expression" and the exercise of rights of association and assembly, including participation in nongovernmental organizations and unions, yet remain; since, are not affecting the interests of the bourgeoisie and monopoly capital; but at any time when the authorities that constitute the bourgeois political organization, consider that the interests of the bourgeoisie and capital are being undermined by public acts and collective feelings and opinions taken by the exploited, oppressed, destitute, deprived and excluded - then these events will be considered "illegal " and "abusive" and can be prevented, prosecuted, scattered or repressed by the police. Therefore, the bourgeoisie when it feels uncomfortable, always uses the state machinery for compelling the social repression of his opponents.
The insidious and brazen with its political bourgeoisie; safeguards are always defending their interests by making private use of the strategy to muster the people who labor, and living on modest means, or who are deprived and needs, bringing up against each other, aiming thereby disjungir and weaken the unit. And thus forcing those who work conformed to accept the lives they lead, because the bourgeoisie inzoneira places society against all dismissed that claim and fight for improvements in their lives; with invective by saying that the workers with their claims or diligent Hamper the work of the whole society.
Democracies understand that one of its main functions is to protect basic human rights such as freedom of expression, the right to equal legal protection, and the opportunity to organize and participate fully in political, economic and cultural society.
The U.S. imperialists who think themselves the "guardians " of human rights, legalize torture, invade and destroy sovereign nations; finance bizarre attacks using weapons of more advanced weapons technologies, which sacrifice themselves to lives of thousands of people.
Moreover, the imperialists devastate entire countries, playing their populations in poverty by promoting bloody occupation and destruction. Similarly, establishing puppet dictatorships that murdered hundreds of thousands of men, women and innocent children, besides the economic and social devastation, and all this simply to satisfy the interests of monopoly capital.
"Democracy is for the American empire, as the U.S. rule, dictate the rules, and subjugate the people undergoing the condition and position of servitude, exploitation, passivity, dependence, obedience, submission, subservience and control, but when people surged and try to put themselves, or to oppose against the interference, greed, domination, tyranny, or will U.S. interests - then this will be considered a dictatorship to the U.S. Empire. "
People who really yearn to be free, sovereign and independent, and for this, come join a consistent way to build the development of democratic processes, as their social, cultural, political, economics, and thus advocate to not be in hands, knees, submissive, obedient, subservient, under control, or serving the interests and purposes of American imperialism.
And so, failing to pray in the booklet of the United States of America, these people are persecuted, and their free and fair elections are considered by the empire of illegal or fraudulent, because the U.S. imperialists will only accept elections regimes harmless, helpless, puppets Subservient, supportive and minions of the Empire. Moreover, the government elected by those free peoples who do not accept being subject to the whims of the United States of America, are always labeled or buffeted of totalitarian tyranny, dictatorship and its enemies.
The Imperious oppressive regime of the U.S., which always argues with the international community, to make economic sanctions, embargoes or restrictive measures designed to obstruct the commerce and communications of free nations, sovereign and independent, contrary to policy of imperial expansion and domination.
And, with these measures, the catchy, powerful, arrogant, dangerous, brutal and threatening U.S. empire, which is considered above the law, aimed mainly harm the economy of the free territories, so that thereby makes them power and thus , and overthrow it impossible to execute or further the development with freedom, independence and sovereignty of free nations, which positions the foundling's imperial domination and tyranny of the U.S..
The Americans who consider themselves the masters of power and status, scholars haughty, superior and better than the whole human race - with its system of government founded on the power of unbridled domination, and with provocative stance, the empire install military bases all regions of the world to prevail or show of force to intimidate and threaten the free world, with military exercises constant and large scale.
For the imperialists try to evade all forms of human nature, by placing the truth upside down, when they present themselves as champions of "freedom" and "Democracy"; even make use of these principles with dogged cavil that are unique real "representatives" or "defenders" of those ideals.
However, all this is pure trickery in an attempt to justify, convince or impress the mind of the international community, that the interventions that are fair in free countries, sovereign and independent, which are repugnant to subject themselves, or to submit to imperial domination .
And, as a result, these free countries, struggling incessantly against imperial aggression and oppression, not to their knees, passive, mild, submissive, quiet, behaved, obedient, under the command, control, or absolute dominion of the empire.
The U.S. imperialists, with its expansion, influence, or even territorial domination, cultural and economic world, with use audacity, cunning and strategy of domination, the two magic words that are considered key, or "Freedom"and "Democracy, " which are used with subtlety just sophistry to conceal their real purposes of possession of the free world.
However, contrary to enunciate on "Freedom"and "Democracy," and National farsistas the U.S. imperialists, intent on keeping the free world under the domination, control and authority.
And for that, so cunning plot on the pretense to deceive or mislead the people, by making use of maneuvers using violence or harm perpetrated; aiming to deprive the people free, sovereign and independent, the use of treachery or hypocritical that the causes that are just defend and fight for "Freedom"and "Democracy."
The U.S. empire, with purpose to intimidate the masses and take the reins at the internal politics of nations free, sovereign and independent; maintain a policy of oppression to achieve their goal of dominating the free world.
And for that, as a truism perspicuity of his intentions, the empire installs and maintains military bases on every continent and, likewise, promote invasion to overthrow legitimate governments of nations free, sovereign and independent, opposing the policy of expansion and domination Imperial.
And the villain in this manner with its policy rapacious empire, is spreading hostility extorting concessions through the use of threat of weapons and brute force, raw materials and other assets they need.
For that, rule genocides around the world free, free nations into debt, buy their politicians and governments puppets, marionettes also support states to undertake destabilizing policies, regional discord and misunderstanding or subversive acts violent and intimidating, the service system of the insidious U.S. Imperial.
The all powerful and wealthy U.S. Empire, packaging for the masses and dominate the free world, use it as a strategy to bypass, the constant application of the words that are pleasing and are a decisive element, or "Freedom" and "Democracy"; for thus deceiving and trying to justify to the international community, that the acts of aggression and domination that perform throughout the free world, are sublime and fair, and thus falsely claiming that they are the real defenders of these ideals.
However, when the nation really decide or act according to its own determinations, aspiring to be free, sovereign and independent, organizing the development of democratic processes, depending on their realities, social, cultural, political, economics, and thus contrary to the interests of USA; immediately comes to hostile reaction of the empire.
And conflict with U.S. interests, so ready, comes from the U.S. empire, open treatment, hostile and unfair, animosity inflicted with the free nations - disappeared in this way, the much vaunted and touted extensively words "Liberty" and "Democracy "who hypocritically used by the empire as a strategy, the masses of people to undergo a terrible brainwashed, mesmerized and conditioned to believe or accept the U.S.; by mistake and so false, as the sole, legitimate, true real or "representative"and"defender" of these ideals.
But the truth always appears, ie the real and true intentions of the Almighty, menacing, possessive, brutal, aggressive, arrogant and terrorist American empire, take by storm the world are free to impose their designs with violence through brute force, with total and absolute disregard the resolutions of the international community, when they take out invasive interventions in areas free, sovereign and independent, thus violating the human rights, with blows, truculence, robberies, harassment, repression, torture, massacres, looting and war .
All nations must be free, sovereign and independent of any imperial power, for so the process of building democracy and freedom in accordance with its ideals of development, or social, cultural, political and economic.
And, indeed, to gain autonomy and freedom, fearless people of free nations must constantly fight the direct or indirect interference in its internal affairs.
For it is only applicable to the native peoples of a nation or territory, form an opinion critical of the exercise or performance of his government, and whatever form of government established.
And so is only applicable to the native peoples of a free nation, the overthrow of political power drivers side, they deem to be stewards despots, demagogues, corrupt, crooks, opportunists and profiteers, and all this must be done without interference of any foreign imperial power.
People really free, sovereign and independent of any force or imperial power, should always lay the foundations and goals to constantly strive for the construction of the process of democracy and freedom, as their development ideals that bring them benefits.
The imperialists use as a strategy of domination both beautiful, magnificent, spectacular, fantastic and wonderful words that are decisive element, namely, "Liberty " and "Democracy", so as to seduce and deceive the masses, sure to guarantee power on unrestricted free nations, sovereign and independent, and thereby impose their system of domination that abuses of the ingenuity, superstition, false belief, ignorance or misunderstanding of an absolute majority.
Only a people conscious, wise, free, sovereign and independent of any force or imperial power, can build the process of democracy and freedom, as their ideals of development, with their social, political, economics, and all without imperialist interference.
Therefore, the reality of a free people with his political organization has to be referenced or binding in all respects, because, before that, what actually exists in life, cultural, social, political and economic one people is not like the constitution of the organization other people with their customs and traditions.
The powerful own the means of production and not wanting to lose their privileges, they do everything to defend them at any cost, even if it is through the use of violence and bloodshed.
Therefore, do not want to ever allow any time, that the power and benefits are extended to the majority coming from oppression, for that way, the vast majority will not get out of control or policy area of bourgeois political organization.
But when a powerful nation or territory lost control of the political, and not wanting to be without the domain of power, then turn to Coups often with the help of U.S. imperialism.
And to ensure your domain and privileges of the bourgeoisie uses will, authoritarianism and an iron hand, always to remain in power at any cost.

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