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jeffolie

You are in denial. The concept is old. Electric cars have been produce by GM and withdrawn from the market.

These are not cost effective. I can buy a $10000 car and a couple lifetimes of gas for a lot less than $50000.

GK

jeffolie,

The efficiency of batteries and solar panels are both much better than they were in the 1970s. They continue to improve about 5% a year, which is slow, but still adds up over many years.

The $10,000 car you mention would be the bottom of the bottom. The 2012 version of Tesla's car could be as little as $40,000, and cost almost nothing in fuel, making it cost effective with $30,000 gasoline cars.

Small, incremental changes that add up over 8-10 years is the goal.

frankwolftown

I don't thinnk he's in denial. This isn't saying Tesla is the here all be all of new cars. It's saying something about the bussiness of electrical cars that has hasn't been done before. They're playing it smart. They came out with low number of cars even if only the rich can afford them you still have someone buying the car. If I were electrical car company that's just what I would do. Come out with couple hundered every year as long you sell each one. The main purpose isn't to mass market them but to get people to be familliar with them. Evetually someone will take a clue from earl "madman" muntz did with television. You strip it down and make it affordable. Yes, I know were still long way off but the tesla Motor is showing more brains than the previous failed companies before it. The style of the roadster is good enough that it makes you want to buy the car. Previous models like the EV1 despite the backing of big companies like general motors had little style. You'd be surprised how this detail can be dimissed only to come back bite manufacturer's in the rear. Yeah, I;m some guy on the interweb blabbing about this but who know something miniscule yet positive may come out of it. Like reviving the american auto industry and bringing some mannufacturing to the USA again. Just a thought! ;P

Tushar D

Jeffolie, remember when DVD players were $3000 a piece? Now you can get one for $30. The rich guys who shelled out $3000 for a DVD player financed the mass-mfg factories that churned out the $30 players. Did you even read the Tesla motors blog that GK linked? I do not know about the exact design they are planning, but with an electric car, you can probably just put motors (with some gears/flywheels) on the axle, and do away with the transmission.
Once mass manufactured, I think the Li-Ion battery pack+motors will be cheaper to produce than the gasoline engine+Transmission of a typical car. Also, the weight will also reduce.

charles

Yeah, I saw that car at the SF auto show, (it was right at the foot of the stairs, you couldn't miss it) -- It's nice to see that the "car industry" is actually spending development and R&D money into electric cars.

GK

charles,

Exactly. The difference between this and previous electrical cars is not just the technological advancements, but that this is 'cool'. It will become a status symbol as new green tech also becomes fashionable.

jeffolie

In 20, 30, 50 years maybe these 'dream electric cars' will be mass produced.

I have seen dream cars produced in the 1939 World's Fair, futurama, and science fiction. Making it to mass production is nowhere close to happening in the near future.

Dream on.

GK

jeffolie,

You aren't providing any reasons. Precisely what technological obstacle prevents this from happening? The 'cost-effective' point is already countered.

Note that hybrid vehicles already exist in much greater numbers than 3 years ago. In 2001, you probably thought hybrids had no prospects.

Also, do you deny that batteries and solar panels are both improving at 5% a year? That is a slow rate, but still adds up over 10, 20, or 30 years.

jeffolie

Fuel cell technology, gas turbines have been around for decades but have not made it into mass production for cars. They were not cost effective. History is replete with 'dream' cars.

Go ahead, dream.

GK

jeffolie,

Again, unless you can answer the specific questions, your argument consists of nothing more than "It can't happen because it hasn't happened yet.".

Do you dispute that :

1) Batteries improving at a rate of about 5% a year?

2) Photovoltaics (solar panels) improving their cost/energy equation at 5% a year?

Your cost-effectiveness point is already countered.

Furthermore, people don't avoid BMWs and Mercs because they are not cost-effective against Hondas and Toyotas. Brand can trump cost-effectiveness for premium consumers, and often does. Tesla is building a brand.

Car Loans

Interesting article. Any idea on where I can get more information on this?

electric bicycle

Spending 1 cent per mile, there is no better deal than that. Everybody should have a car like that. So why everybody does not go buy a tesla roadster? I personally think they must.

Richard

Here is a thought: Toyota looses money on every Prius they sell. It costs more to make (at the present time) than the average car with an internal combustion engine. The Prius also requires more energy to produce than the average car with an internal combustion engine, making it not "green" by any stretch of the word. Then there is the battery replacement... Batteries don't last forever, therefore they will need to be changed at some point. At what cost will the hundreds, and in some cases (as with the Tesla) thousands of batteries be? How often? Also keep in mind where the electricity is coming from... most likely it is a coal powered power plant (although some may be nuclear, hydrothermal or hydroelectric). You are still polluting the air by charging your vehicle, unless you know for certainty, that in your area, you are getting your power from the latter three I mentioned in the sentence above. "Green" cars, at the present time, are FAR from "green". If anything they are no better, if not worse, than the internal combustion engine. Instead of using electricity, why don't we keep our gas powered cars and run them on algae-based fuels? We can stop being dependent on the Middle-East, and have algae farms located in the deserts where the sunlight is plentiful and perfect for algae growth. I read that if an algae production plant had 30,000 acres in the desert, they could produce enough fuel to satisfy the needs of the entire U.S. Algae farms use closed systems, so the water is recycled (topped-up when necessary) and uses a fraction of the resources that a corn field does. (I have no idea WHY anyone would be ignorant enough to use part of your food supply to fuel your vehicle). The answer is very simple and has already been field tested and proven to work just as well as fossil fuels, without the harmful aftermath. Just a thought and my 2 cents worth. Have a great day!

Richard

I believe you would divide 55 into 220. That number would give you the amount of kwh per mile, over 220 miles. The 220 miles is relative to your style of driving though.

truck rental

This car is amazing! Just looking at it made me smile! I'm a guy, I love red sports cars and this one looks like the right one for me! Reading the amazing data only made it more clear :) Eco friendly and super fast :)

scoremore

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juicer

Amazing shape for a car. I like it

citrus juicer

I could imagine myself driving this car on I-95, before getting home I would probably get $1000 worth of tickets

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