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Savethemales

cheetah, You had me worried there. I am not afraid of being alone because as I mentioned before, robogirls will be a reality by 2030 and trips will be done with virtual reality with virtual girls in 2020. Im not going to waste my time on picking up sluts, ive gone my way and will enjoy life single. America is a matriarchy and there's few good ladies. Many married men get screwed over in the divorce and end lonely. See my long reply to you on September 15, 2010 at 04:54 AM, I made some good points. Don't think youve had a chance to read my previous reply to you.

GK, if game can help improve a loving, monogameous relationship or marriage, then im all for it. But if you are already single, id still advise men to stay that way and be free.

Even with a prenup, marriage is still a good deal for women. Of course she will try to shame you out of a prenup, perhaps even refuse to marry you. If she does marry, she will find a judge that will not honor your prenup as she divorces you. Worst case, she still gets your children and lots of child support, something no prenup can legally protect you from. Hence, never marry in a matriarchy!

Ok, so maybe MGTOW isn't popular for alpha men with game, but for the other 80% who can't/won't game, it'll save them alot of trouble and failed relationships and false allegations. Virtual girls is the way to go for them. As to replacing real women, it will for most betas because a virtual 10 beats a real 7 and also because their minds will become warped and average women will simply be ignored. Most men will become too jaded to believe in "love" as they found out themselves or thru their friends. I don't believe in love myself and don't believe the majority of women are capable of unconditional love. Hence, virtual love will be the option for most men.

You still maintain that robogirls won't ever become popular. I mention that robogirls will get to the point they can do everything and more vs. a human woman. There will be all kinds of safety elements. What if you get a stroke or heart attack? Then your robogirl can administer medicine while wirelessly dialing 911. Your robogirl can act as a guard to protect you from robothugs. Your robogirl can do all kinds of chores around the house and be programmed to love you unconditionally.

Even when virtual reality becomes "real" by 2040(kurzweil says 2030) thanks to nanobots, robogirls won't go away as they will still be needed in the real world. Virtual reality isn't just an outlet to get beautiful women, anything goes and the only limitation is your imagination. I believe human male-female relationships will be a thing of the past by then. Robots will have taken almost all our jobs and humans will have fun all day in their virtual utopia. This will continue towards the tech. singularity and past that.

http://www.singularity.com/qanda.html
http://trace.wisc.edu/tech-overview/index0735.html?p=18

kurzweil, a famous futurist has lots of good points. You mentioned elsewhere that his predictions are too optimistic. Did you factor in the "double" exponential?

Max

The Futurist, I have another question. I know that you have a very bullish outlook for America by 2030, but I’d like to ask how you envision this. As the West continues to collapse, why wouldn’t the government, or what’s left of it, simply continue with its self serving aims and continue with its present course of catering to women? Is the only way that America can turn things around be the restructuring of marriage so men find it beneficial again, or is the future America whether broke or rich simply going to be a dystopian nightmare?

The Futurist

Max,

Note that in The Misandry Bubble, I introduced a caveat, stating that the US still being a superpower by 2030 was contingent on an orderly unwinding of The Misandry Bubble.

If the Misandry Bubble pops in a chaotic and destructive way, the US might no longer be a superpower. So yes, the only positive outcome is for marriage to be made attractive to MEN again. Catering to women is just not sustainable - it is the snake eating its own tail.

China is also vulnerable to misandry.

Max

Do you consider the U.S. Government will make the right choice if utter collapse could be avoided with such restructuring? Will Islam force the hand of the developed nations or will Muslims too fall by the hand of Feminism? Also, I'd like to know about the level of feminism in Norway and Sweden. I have a friend who is convinced that Feminism is fairly balanced due to the state of their government there but I have seen a few articles stating otherwise.

Jackson

Savethemales,

You might just be the most pathetic male in the whole world.

You claim that you have 'evolved beyond thinking about women', yet you have a 'plan' to wait 20 years until 'robogirls' are available?

That puts whole new meaning to the word 'pathetic'.

If you were in the clergy, your claim of not needing women might be believable. But being so afraid of women (none of whom have any interest in you), while waiting 20 years for 'robogirls' is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard. That you think there are any other men in the world who would even want to live your life is even more pathetic.

Whatever MGTOW is, I don't want to know anything about it. Real men take charge of their situation. Learning Game is a better life to live.

Savethemales

Your shaming language has been pre-emptied by his blog. I am living my life without being a white knight. There's so much more to life than pandering to the feminists who are full of misandry. Ill get VR girls in a decade and no biological woman will be able to compete. Lots of other men will grow tired of the shaming language and misandry and start flocking to VR of 2020 and robogirls of 2030. We haven't lost interest in decent women, there just aren't many left and VR/robots will be a trillion dollar market to fill in the demand.

All men should be afraid of women, they rule the country and created the laws to serve them. Millions of innocent men have their lives ruined by false allegations. We are protecting ourselves by staying away from the feminists. This is why The Futurist wrote the article pointing out how prevalent misandry is. Re-read his article, especially about "2) Adult Entertainment Technologies of 2020" and also read my previous comments in this blog.

Gordon

Very thorough article. Most of the comments have added greatly to the page. Many of the comments from females have also added a different and constructive perspective.

Jackson

Savethemales,

No, I don't think this blog is siding with you at all.

You are extremely pathetic if your plan is to be a virgin for 20 more years while waiting for some creepy 'robogirls'. If you at least joined the clergy, you would have some excuse for wanting to be a sexual loser.

Another option you should consider is becoming gay. Then you won't have to worry about lawsuits.

Extremely pathetic. You actually think other men would want to be anything like you, but you are perhaps the most pathetic loser around.

As I said, real men take action. They learn Game, or find some other solution than being a loser waiting for 20 years for 'robogirls'.

Shaming language is what you deserve.

Savethemales

Your arguments are deeply flawed and show you have a lack of understanding of technology and humans. There's nothing pathetic about virgins and everything to admire about them. Not every man wastes his life chasing pussy or obsessing about it every 7 seconds. Some men are wise to the fact celibacy avoids all kinds of crazy risks in your life, such as false rape, STDs, pregnancy, injuries, etc. False rape is men's biggest risk and there's no way around this except if you wait 10 years for virtual girls. Robogirls will then come 10 years after virtual girls. Im living my life right now(unlike those in prison for false rape) and will really be living it up starting in 2020. :)

There won't be anything creepy about robogirls because the uncanny valley will have been crossed. Ray Kurzweil has a $10,000 bet robots will pass the turing test by 2029. This means robots will look, think and act *exactly* like humans! I have mentioned previously the purposes of robogirls and they won't be just for mating, far from it. I bet the majority of men will be with robogirls because robogirls will be much hotter, smarter and nicer, not to mention safer than any slut you catch with game. Even the author of this blog understands a VR 10 beats a real 7 anyday! A robogirl 10 would beat a real 10, especially in the brain department.

It's much easier to go your way than turn gay. Life isn't about chasing women(or men) and obsessing about getting laid. I spend my time feeding my brain with useful facts and learning about technology and being a futurist myself. You should re-read this article and read every other article in his blog. Youll notice even he believes there will be a 50% chance of AEV(infinite lifespan) by 2040. Ray believes that chance will be 100% before 2040. Therefore 10 years for virtual girls and 20 years for robogirls is less than nothing in the face of infinite life.

You think like a white knight/mangina when you shame other men. This is exactly what the man hating feminists are counting on. Those feminists also shame me, especially when I mention robogirls. They say I must be a pathetic loser who can't handle a "real" woman. The choice is painfully obvious: be with an ugly, rude, illogical woman who expects you to serve her and do whatever she wants or be with a hot, nice, logical robogirl who will be programmed to do whatever you want? I couldn't care less about the feminists and white knights calling me pathetic while I couldn't be happier with the perfect robotic woman. They will be the miserable ones, not me.

Jackson

savethemales,

You sound more and more pathetic with every comment.

A virgin is not to be 'cherished'. He is by definition a creature that nature has rejected.

Your insane belief that even the smallest interaction with women will lead you to jail is the reason you are so detached from reality. What percentage of the time is a man accused of rape after sex with a woman? I bet you think it is 50% or more.

Again, if you went into the clergy, you might have an excuse. But waiting 20 years for something creepy like 'robogirls', which may not even happen, is a pathetic approach to life. No wonder other men don't want to be like you.

The reason you are too afraid to learn Game is a) you are not smart enough, and b) you refuse to admit that other men lead better lives, even with all the feminism in society.

No one wants to make the 'choice' you have made - which is not really a choice but rather a resignation to defeat.

Savethemales

Funny, everyone I know who's not a virgin has his or her health and life ruined. I don't care what others say, im proud to be a virgin. I do want to be with either robogirls or foreign women(if I expat), but want nothing to do with American feminists, not even if I learned and perfectly understood game. Ignoring those feminists will deflate the misandry bubble much faster. Virtual reality of 2020 will do exactly that when millions of beta men simply ignore women.

MGTOW simply means ignoring women in matriarchal countries. A third of rapes are false. Feminists believe all sex is rape and all men are rapists. Men can get their fix safely today with masturbation, then in a decade with virtual girls, then in two decades with robogirls. You still don't understand "uncanny valley" but you will by 2030 when it's crossed. You will never be a futurist when you think "it may not even happen"

Millions of mostly beta men will be flocking towards virtual reality girls in 2020, even The Futurist points this out. None of us will care in the least how many sluts you alpha men pick up when we are safely enjoying our "perfect" virtual girls, then robogirls. You will never find love from a feminist nor a slut. Even a robogirl can simulate love well enough to make nearly all men feel loved. You defeat yourself with your lack of knowlege.

forcho130

Hey Savethemales,

I agree with a lot of what you're saying but I think that the dates may have to be pushed back another decade or so. I just don't think that technology can advance that fast. I'd say 2060-70 sounds about right for mass market sales.

I too have been conscious of the fate of beta men in America who want children. I was the nice-guy 23 year old virgin that focused on his studies to the detriment of being shunned by the girls around me.

I'd say that in America my beta-ness makes me a 5. I went to Japan and worked there for three years and I was able to get a girl who's a 7.5 virgin and we're still together. The value of hard-working men from the US goes up dramatically in almost any other foreign country.

If you haven't already, take the time to learn a foreign language, get out of this misandric society and you can find yourself a flower out there. As of right now, a foreign girl is much better relationship material than a virtual girl. You won't regret expatting.

hoodrat-neph

"This is pure evil, ranking right up there with the evil of Nazi Germany"
Way to prove Goodwin's law. Also, enthralling article, but it's unlikely those four horsemen will actually progress at the same rate,thereby skewing your prediction year.

Jackson

savethemales,

You are actually trying to claim that 'every man you know who is not a virgin had his life ruined, so remaining a virgin is better?'. So there is an actual cluster of virgin males trying to pass off their failure as success? That is even worse than women trying to push cougarhood.

No wonder no men want to have anything to do with MGTOW other than the most extreme losers. What is funny is that you think the strategy of men remaining virgins can gain popularity.

You should seriously consider becoming gay, for your sake and that of others. Waiting 20 years for robogirls might not pan out, plus is an unprecedented level of loserdom.

Kevin

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/

ThePolarBear

In response to Wacky Hermit,

As someone with Aspergers Syndrome, and baring in mind my own case differs significantly from traditional aspergers and autistic spectrum disorders, I see some correlation myself. We certainly see less children being told, and subsequently learning to, suck it up and deal. I, personally, got a fair amount of extra help in school, special education, etc etc, but had no-one to teach me how to deal, how to "shut up and nut up". I taught myself basic, and complex, social interaction. I taught myself how to deal with women. Where was my dad in all this? Pussy whipped by my mother. Sure, he gave me some good tidbits here and there when she wasn't around, taught me how to deal with other men, but my early lessons on dealing with women were "Whiteknighty" as fuck, and it wasn't until my last few years of highschool that I learned that shit doesn't work.

This has turned into a huge ramble-fest, tied into the fact I have not slept in over twenty four hours, so I will attempt to explain what I meant briefly. The de-masculinizing of modern men has stripped our young males of education on what it means to be a man, and all that comes along with it (basic decency, resolve, drive, the ability to cope, and all such things of that manner).

Savethemales

forcho130, read on Ray Kurzweil's predictions. You are thinking linearly, not exponentially. Good move expating, this is one of the horseman. Foreign women are way better than American women. In fact, any woman, even virtual women beat American women hands down. Ive done some reading on virtual reality and it will probably be done with TV glasses that beam an image directly to your retina. We will also have true 3-d holographic TVs by 2020. The author mentions "Adult Entertainment Technologies of 2020" as a horseman. Many men are greatly underestimating virtual reality because they think linearly. Kurzweil points out computers a decade from now will be a thousand times more powerful!

hoodrat-neph, I personally think feminism will begin to decline by 2020 and be completely gone by 2030. The virtual reality will be the most responsible for this among all the horsemen.

Jackson, not all men are interested in getting laid and they can't fail if they aren't interested in the first place. You think and act like an alpha man and you wouldn't understand how beta men live our lives. We are interested in knowlege and technology and think with our brains instead of penis. You don't have much interest in technology and the future so you wouldn't understand what we clearly know. We aren't worried about anything except gray goo and unfriendly AI.

ThePolarBear, Asperger's is normal and the future of how humans will think. We don't blindly follow the herd mentality and we aren't social. We think for ourselves and do what's best for us. I choose to deal with women by simply not taking them and their shaming language seriously and ignoring them as they are not fit to date, much less form long term relationships. They have "pussy power" that works on men who think with their penis. Those men become pussy whipped and live an unhappy, resentful life. Going my own way gives me a level of freedom envied by many men. We will get our own women with virtual reality of 2020 and robogirls of 2030 without any worries or risks. Men will relearn what it's like to be a man thanks to technology.

The Truth About Women

Fantastic article. I have linked to it on my blog because it really nails down a lot of the issues with women.

Jackson

The reasons that Savethemales is a loser are :

1) He thinks that every man who ever has sex with a woman has gotten his life ruined.
2) He thinks that young men will actually find his doctrine of loserish celibacy while waiting until 2030 for 'robogirls' attractive. He clearly knows nothing about young men.
3) He is too cowardly to attempt to learn Game.
4) He is too dumb to understand why Game works.
5) He thinks a life without love (waiting 20 years for 'robogirls') is better than a life with love, having never felt love himself.

Dude, do yourself a favor and become gay. It will happen eventually anyway, so just save yourself some time.

Zuberi

First of all, there's nothing wrong celibacy. Second, there is no law that makes it mandatory to lower themselves to dog shit and chase women who seek to ruin his life. Having sex is too damn easy, but celibacy is a challenge. An if you are the typical white knight wannabe or the groveling mangina who'll lie down in rush hour traffic for the sake of getting laid, it is you who is pathetic not the virgin!

Kargan3033

@Jackson
Jackson you know you are a real peice of work you know that, I have played the *Game* both as an alpha and a beta and I can tell you that western women are shit, Savethemales has made his choice as to how he wants to live his life, so who in the hell do you think you are in judging him and others who virgins?

I say more power to then, thy know or at lest Savethemales knows how western women are and I can tell you from my own personal experances that western women are not worth the time or the risks involved in being with them, sexualy or otherwise.

So why don't you give it a rest and try to understand svaethemales and the others here points of view instead of acting like an overblown assface, well make our choices in life because we beileve that it is the best choice for us so how's to save that STM's choice is not the best chopice or who's to say your choice is not the best choice, it's all a matter of personal points of views and choices that make us diffrent from one another and given the way western women are and that more and more men are realizing that western women are not worth the time and risks invoilved in being with then that is their right and given this fact what does that tell you about western women?

Hell you should not be complaing about, the more men that opt out of being involed with western women means that there is more pussy for you and the other players.

christian

GK, perhaps you are no longer checking comments on this article but it is still worth a try. I do agree with most of your points though I must state emphatically that I have never had and probably never will have an actual romantic encounter with a western female. I am from small-town eastern europe currently living in London and thus have no patience or stomach for the exploits of western women, in fact they positively horrify me. My last futile attempt at trying to form a loving bond with a western female (swedish in this instance) started ominously when she asked me out for a first date and suggested I cook for her... I am a decent cook, while she of course has never seen the inside of a kitchen. I grudgingly acquisced for I am polite with women like most men are, a major weakness if you ask me. I believe she listed her favourite dildos on the first date, but thought I was too rash for kissing her on the second. I lost my patience after a few dates and kicked her out. Then she started pursuing me like a maniac and the more I ignored her the more she came on. Of course I did not give in, I find such behaviour in women revolting to say the least. So I can corrobate most of what you had to say about the western female. If I ever chose to marry, I would probably convert to Islam and move to Malaysia or Indonesia or some other similarly male-friendly country where it is incomparably easier to find women either for short term romantic encounters or most definitely for marriage. I would never willingly inflict the sort of feminist-induced suffering western children have to endure these days on my own offspring. We (the West) are a wicked civilization made up of whores, pimps, transvestites and bastards and we deserve to be eclipsed by the more dynamic and family friendly cultures of the east. I used to live in both Singapore and India and have been shocked to realize that it is normal for women in the east to stay virgins until marriage. What surprised me even more is that professional girls were far less tarty and had probably far less mileage (eastern bargirls dont sleep with a different guy every day and often have relationships) than a lot of nympho western girls I knew.
Regards, Christian

Savethemales

Jackson,

1. Sex is harmful for everyone, especially men. I have talked to people who get STDs, pregnant, injured or even been accused of false rape!

2. Zuberi, Kargan3033 and im sure millions of other men strongly disagree with you.

3. Id rather be a coward than an inmate.

4. I never said game doesn't work, just that I am not interested in learning game because I want nothing to do with western women. Neither do millions of men. Those men go their way, seek foreign women or are waiting for virtual and robogirls.

5. Western women, with few exceptions are not capable of (unconditional) love. Many will pretend to love you in order to trap you into marriage, child support, and use you and your money to support herself. Foreign women are alot more capable of love. Robogirls will be able to simulate love that is virtually identical to "true love" Ive explained how your robogirl will do everything(obeying the 3 laws of robotics) you want.

6. I am not gay and I won't pretend to be. I am not interested in the long process required to turn gay. Those who are born gay or wish to turn gay, I have respect for them. They will be happy with men. It's actually one of the horsemen(relationships with men) that will be up on my blog soon.

Christian, The Futurist is a big fan of gaming western women. But many of us don't want to be with western women ever, period. The fact she suggested you cook for her means she was just looking for a white knight that will do whatever she wants. You got lucky she did not accuse you of abuse or rape. More and more men are learning how horrible western women and feminists are. Those women shall be lonely. Feminism is going to hurt women big time, The Futurist is right about that one.

Be careful about converting to Islam, sharia law is harsh to men and even worse to women. It's the lesser of the evils vs. feminism but far from perfect. My plan is to be a MGTOW for the next 10 years till I can be with virtual reality girls(a horseman) then enjoy VR girls another 10 years till robogirls are viable. Read my previous comments to understand my reasoning on VR and robogirls.

Female Muso With Many Many Options

I reckon you're all high...

I am female 35, naturally gorgeous and I've slept with way more men than my age. I am proud to be who I am and what I am. I have never shagged my way up the ladder and I've always worked exceptionally hard for what I have earned. I've had to, as my career has occasionally been sabotaged by more than a few jealous males who just couldn't compete with my abilities.

Look, I love men. They're my friends, my lovers and my confidantes. Basically, IMHO you're sprouting drivel that some poor, ignorant philistine will read and take as gospel. Yes, the world is a fucked up place, however do we really need any extremist views to make it worse? Just something to think about.

BTW, I'm single and very happy. I intend on staying that way. I have no need to marry as I am financially independent, have access to all the pediatric company I could ask for and love my freedom. It's my life and I will live it as I choose.

I have had long term relationships with men but have come to the decision that I prefer them as friends and lovers. I have found that men I know become like horses once they fall into the complacency of a long term relationship - they become high maintenance and cost HEAPS to feed.

Come on guys, get your heads back into the real world and face facts. Now that women have the power to decide their own destinies, there will be no turning back. I am merely a trailblazer.

Peace,
Female Muso With Many Many Options

The Futurist

Female with No Remaining Options,

The more men a woman sleeps with, the less desirable to men she becomes. That, combined with your age, means you have passed the Wile E. Coyote moment, and have missed your chance to get a man. Your bitterness is oozing through every line you wrote.

Your entire post is pure projection, which was already predicted and pre-empted by the main article.

You have no understanding of how women think. Read the article, and learn something. Also, read Roissy and The Spearhead to further your education.

cheetah

It doesn't seem like she's bitter at all, just blind. In fact, the spinster above seems to be quite happy for now. Her theory works for her at the moment. The problem with her idea is twofold.

1. The spinster is defying her very biological needs to marry and to be a mother. Very few women stay attractive past 35. Even if we assume she is still attractive (which is a fair assumption in her case), give her 5 years to realize that she is no longer sought by men. She will have to either settle for anyone or will have to live in the past.

2. Most women are not happy living the way the spinter lives - that is like a slut. Most might go through this stage of clubbing, partying, and then grow out of it. She seems to have stayed in it and hasn't even realized that the Wile E. Coyote moment has passed (or soon will).

And yes, with adequate protection, I would totally bang her. Probably wouldn't need much game to get her either. Whores like these are very good for sex but are trash when it comes to a relationship. Now don't get me wrong - I love whores. They make the world a better place. The best part is that the spinster doesn't even want a relationship. Women like her are a win-win situation for us all.

cheetah

Btw, Jackson. If you sat down and actually thought for a minute, you would see that intelligence is why humans have dominated the planet. And this intellect is why intelligent men (even if they don't look good) can achieve just about anything they put their mind to. This is where Game comes in. Game has been developed for luminaries in the field of applied female psychology like Mystery, DeAngelo, and a lot of other amazing PUA's. These guys really don't look like much but it is their skill and drive that makes them better at picking up chicks than any true alpha can ever be.

STM has chosen a different path and should not be ridiculed for it. Even though you might not agree with it, there is a decent way to say things and articulate your thoughts. In fact, I cannot imagine how any man can actually want to or have the ability to stay a virgin. I tend to lean towards the theory that many men who claim to want to stay virgins for whatever reason are some combination of extreme Beta males and have put up a psychological protective mechanism against failure. You can't fail at getting women if you don't want them in the first place. If this is the case, he is putting up a front and is actually a scared and sad person. However, if STM indeed doesn't care a shit about women, then hats off to him.

Personally, I find it easier getting women when I dont give a rat's ass about them. It's consistent with game theory as well. But the real test for STM will be to learn some game, use it, and then not have sex with them because of his convictions.

Jackson

tend to lean towards the theory that many men who claim to want to stay virgins for whatever reason are some combination of extreme Beta males and have put up a psychological protective mechanism against failure. If this is the case, he is putting up a front and is actually a scared and sad person.

cheetah,

What you described is exactly what STM is. What reveal him to be this are :

a) Wanting to wait until 2030 for 'robogirls', rather than risk interacting with real women today
b) Saying ALL men who have sex are ALWAYS worse off. He regrets his parents conceived him
c) He can't admit that Game works

There might be some form of dignified celibacy possible, but STM is not it. He is frightened and miserable, as you correctly say.

cheetah

While I cannot understand how any guy can actually think that the robogirl or 3-D girl stuff can substitute for the real thing, maybe he is so jaded by Western girls (rightly so), that he just doesn't want to deal with them any more. Personally, I just can't help but throw game wherever I go. It's always been a part of me even before I knew about game theory. But that's not to say that STM and others like him should be ridiculed for their decision to stay a virgin.

It's really not for us to say what is going through STM's mind but, in any case, it would be fair to give him the benefit of the doubt. Either way, what is the use of trying to put down another person? We're all in this together and that is one of our strongest points as guys. Women always fight with each other on even trivial matters and can't seem to agree on anything.

Peter Feller

The Futurist has written an eye-opening article. It is a must-read for all men and women. I am a very successful engineer and have been equally successful with women. However, I also read the news and have friends from whom I see a lot of evidence to support the points made in The Futurist's blog.

The Futurist is not saying that all or even most women are out to screw men; figuratively speaking, of course. In fact, most women I have met have a desire to be just in their dealings. However, since most of us (women included) equate the law with what is morally correct, women see no wrong is taking what is lawfully theirs. The system has failed men and women are just taking what they feel is being given to them by the justice system and the family courts.

He is, in no way, condoning violence against women and atrocities committed against them in many underdeveloped countries. He is saying that masculinity in the west is being put down while femininity is being celebrated. Any man living in the US can plainly see the obvious truth in his article.

To further my point that it is the system and not the woman at fault, take the example of an American marrying a girl from outside the US and bringing her to the US to live with him. After learning about her right in the US, she will have to be a saint to say no to his money if they split up. This actually gives her a reason to split up and undoubtedly influences her decision to stay in the marriage even after a small fight.

I have seen so many of my friends go through the family law courts and get screwed so badly that they cannot even think about remarrying. One buddy was taken to court by his ex-wife to stop him from taking their child GoKarting because she felt it was "reckless endangerment". The kid loves going racing with his dad every weekend and she almost took that from him just out of spite. The judge had sided with her for every one of her complaints until then but told her that her request was simply ridiculous and said that he would have liked to go GoKarting with his dad.

Seeing friends go through the dryer time and time again has made a lot of men like me jaded about marriage and question its very worth. I have since dated women and had great success and happiness without any of the risks of marriage. A lot of guys in my social circle of young professionals are doing the same. We are just doing what's best for us given the options that we have. Marriage has become a bad bet and men are logical beings.

Rick

There are three kinds of women in their late 30s.

Cock-carousel riders
Divorced women
The occasional still-single woman who has not slutted around.

Carousel riders will likely end up alone.

Single mom divorcees can find another guy, but should focus mostly on character and stability, and forget about romance and status. And looks.

The still-single, if childless, has a good chance, but these are often the pickiest of women, and it seems they double down on their demands as time runs out.

There has been an amazing illusion of choice and options, and many, many women have totally blown their chances. As an early 40s guy in good financial shape and considered eligible by my friends, I’m off the market for anything other than dating.
The first generation of women who behaved this way are just starting to hit the point of no return. Soon, they will be as invisible to men as a little old lady.

Except little grammas are cute, and they sometimes bake me cookies.

Many of these women continued to bet on the wrong guys, and are going to look around at 40 and wonder where all the sweet, if average guys went – you know, the ones they always thought would be available if they couldn’t get Mr. Big to commit.

We are off the market.

john thames

http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/genders/7938-feminism-refuted

See attatched highly informative article on the fallacies of feminism.

Savethemalesfuturist

Jackson and cheetah, I don't have to keep repeating this virtual girl and robogirl deal. Ive said plenty in my previous comments. I also discuss this and the other horsemen plus the five sirens. Lots of men are falling for her pussy power and seduction. Check my blog: http://www.opendiary.com/entryview.asp?authorcode=D847407&entry=10002&mode= Feel free to leave a comment in my blog.

Kate McG

This is a joke, right? I really really hope so. Cause I am laughing my ass off.

Kate McG

Dear Author - You just lost ALL credibility and hope for the Future with this article. Please have an open dialogue about feminism with someone who has studied it before you start gender-normalizing feminism as "lunacy" and get a history lesson on what feminism is up to these days - it's called "Third Wave" and "Global" feminism to start. Unlike many of your claims, basic human rights for women has not been realized in much of the globe, and young women are still challenged with real opposition - just take a look at all the advertising directed at young women to look like the perfect sex object. Men should be allies to this cause, not reactionary, defensive, and offended or angry about it. This writing is all opinion, vitriolic fluff that merely reaffirms some men and women's discomfort with our own ability to empower each other through understanding and empathy to the other's cause. You merely wrote something with sensationalist writing (women who lie about rape? c'mon!!) in order to get eyeballs on your crap writing, and I suppose it was successful. But I can tell you, this is the last time I visit here. Yes - crap. And from what I understand, you will delete any posts like mine - so here's to the future (hooray censorship!)

Gutherie

You know, as a sexually well-adjusted and satisfied man, I'd have to say that this article made me laugh enough to forward it to my guy friends.

See, we like to refer to guys with asinine attitudes like this as either "yard apes" or "insecure dickheads who likely have mommy issues." Why? Because while we have evolved, YOU clearly haven't. It's 2010. Yes, women have access to contraceptives (thank god.) Yes, divorce is really common. That's not a failing of women (I'm having flashbacks to Adam blaming Eve, here) - it's an antique, patriarchal tool that is finally dying because it doesn't work anymore.

Let's use my life as a great example of how you can not believe conspiracy bullshit like this, respect women and still have great sex. I have a long-standing girlfriend, with whom I have a completely open relationship. We have all the emotional and life attachments of marriage, but we are both able to have sex with whoever else we want. We are not legally married. We have agreed to not have children. If she dumped me tomorrow, I would not lose a dime (although I would be heartbroken, because she is the light of my eyes.) We also have mandated that Saturdays are OUR time, so that we don't neglect our own sexual intimacy. We are not jealous, we communicate very well, and we respect each other as equal, intelligent human beings.

So, what I'm trying to say is: stop whining like a bitch and pretending these are social issues. They aren't. Unfortunately, monkey-brained, biological "essentialist" patriarchal thinking will be with us until people like you finally shut up or die out. So, instead of spouting this bullshit and lamenting the death of "Real Men", go out, find the right kind of relationship for you and just BE a man. Real men are completely secure in their sexual prospects and don't need to blame women for their own personal failings. Stop crying to the interwebz about "misandry" - you'll be happier and fewer people's eyes will be bleeding.

The Futurist

Kate,

This is a joke, right? I really really hope so. Cause I am laughing my ass off.

It is not a joke. This article is serious, and has been well received by a lot more people than small-minded parrots like you. Your unoriginal attempt to hide the fact that you have been intellectually outclassed is not even very adept.

Men should be allies to this cause,

As soundly proven in the article, men are being oppressed to prop up women, with very few women expressing awareness or concern. Your victim narrative is threadbare.

The article heavily pre-empts your rehearsed squawking, and none of your points have not already been rebutted in the article.

women who lie about rape? c'mon!!)

Yes, 41% of all rape accusations are false, which I have provided a source for. Facts don't seem to matter to you.

Dr. Helen is one woman who is writing about how the West has become anti-male.
Female Masculinist is another.

You could learn a lot about gender dynamics by reading the writings of these two women.

But I can tell you, this is the last time I visit here.

Unlikely. You are already getting turned on reading what I wrote. You don't really understand how women think (and no, being a woman does not mean you understand how women think. Quite the opposite, in fact).

Guthrie,

You are not a man, you are a woman (probably Kate above, who threatened 'not to return here') pretending to be a man (which is what 'feminism' is about, eh?). I can see right through your amateurish ruse.

Oh, and Game works, Kate. That is why more men are choosing to be pickup artists, rather than husbands.

Gutherie

Congrats on the great Straw Man! "I can't think of a response to Experience, Logic and Reality, so I'll just call him a girl. That'll work!" The fact that you didn't actually respond to anything I said is a testament to your amateurish thinking. See, what's hilarious about guys like you is that you actually believe this shit. You actually BELIEVE in the alpha/beta false dichotomy. And because you believe in it, you're insecure. You look up to guys who have it good and want them to accept you as a Fellow Alpha Dood and you're scared that they'll see you as just another "beta." So you overcompensate. That's all this paranoid tl;dr post is: overcompensation. Cheers and good luck, dude. (Seriously though, I recommend finding the right kind of woman. It helps!)

The Futurist

Guthrie,

Everything you wrote is pure projection (which the article already explains).

You haven't even addressed any of the well-supported points in the article, you just blather in your own insecurity, which you project outwards. That is why you are so threatened by Game.

If you actually are a 'man' that is even worse. See the section on 'Girlie-men'.

I dare you to go to Roissy's and make a case for your point of view. If you are a man, then you would not have trouble defending your position over there, now would you?

Oh, and I have it *much* better than you, for sure, both sexually and financially. That is why far more people see this article favorably than unfavorably. Your envy is palpable.

Debate specific points in the article, with supporting data, or get lost.

Gutherie

Hey! An actual response. Sweet.

1) I'm not going to play the "You're projecting." "No, YOU'RE projecting!" game. That's "my dick is bigger than yours" at it's finest. So, moving on to...

2) Yes, I read the section on "Girlie-Men." And I thought it was stupid. Back to, you can't argue with men who genuinely support feminism and don't suffer the trumped up, "dire" consequences you state here. So you just call use "girls" or "girly."

3) Envy? Dude, seriously? You seriously just made my day. Cheers, mate. I owe you a beer. That's the best laugh I've had all day. (Again with you taking this so personally. I'm not critiquing YOU, I'm critiquing your defeatist attitude. One would suspect that I'd hit a nerve, but I don't want to get too touchy-feely here.)

4) Roissy? What argument could I possibly be defending? My life choices? If anything, my very existence makes the point that we need to go WITH the trends and make them work instead of clinging stupidly to old-world ideals.

The fact is, you're never going to out-victim the feminist movement. You're just not. Women have been treated like shit for centuries and you're not going to gain sympathy for your cause by touting guys who have to pay child support for being too stupid to wait for the right situation to reproduce. Not when any n00b feminist with half a brain can come back at you with graphic pictures of female genital mutilation. Stop trying to play the woe-is-me microscopic fiddle and start BEING the kind of guy you wish you saw in the world. Teach your son to be a secure, educated gentleman. Teach other fathers how to BE fathers. Those are things that are going to actually change the world, not making a blog that can easily be surface-glanced and written off as a "hate blog." And if you REALLY cared about these issues, you'd do just that.

Just my 2 cents.

The Futurist

Guthrie,

Back to, you can't argue with men who genuinely support feminism and don't suffer the trumped up,

On the contrary, I have overwhelmingly demolished, and fully deconstructed the girlie-men 'third gender', as well as their motivations and gnawing inner shame. You can't refute the airtight logic, so throw a hissy fit. Next.

It is unlikely you will figure out that making yourself subservient to women will not get you laid. Women are actually repelled by men who announced that they support feminism.

The fact is, you're never going to out-victim the feminist movement

You have just explained exactly *why* the pendulum has swung to the other extreme without opposition.

You have not addressed a single statistic cited in the article, nor any of the core points. Thus, I will require that you spend 30 days commenting and asking questions at either Roissy's or The Spearhead before you would be prepared for a meaningful discussion here.

Women have been treated like shit for centuries

Not any worse than the bottom 90% of men.

for being too stupid to wait for the right situation to reproduce.

Oh, so women poking holes in condoms to gain 20 years of seizing his paycheck (not to mention providing a broken home to the kid) is OK? Just because you would never be in that situation, does not mean men aren't being terrorized in this way. You are ignoring the massive supporting evidence that I have provided. Plus, it is clear that if the genders were reversed, you would still blame the man.

not making a blog that can easily be surface-glanced and written off as a "hate blog."

Hogwash. Many major blogs (Instapundit, Kim du Toit, Dr. Helen) have linked to this article favorably, while none of any stature have done so unfavorably.

Your view is certainly not prevalent.

Snark

"Please have an open dialogue about feminism with someone who has studied it"

Funny. I get the distinct impression that The Futurist has studied feminism.

Snark

"you're not going to gain sympathy for your cause by touting guys who have to pay child support for being too stupid to wait for the right situation to reproduce."

And yet, women who are too stupid to wait for the right situation to reproduce can expect to be paid for their stupidity, naturally.

Reaver

"And from what I understand, you will delete any posts like mine - so here's to the future (hooray censorship!)"

More projection. From my experience, the only blogs that practice censorship are owned by either leftists or feminists. Try posting anything pro-male on feministing, and see how long your posting privileges last.

Jackson

What a pathetic mangina this Guthrie faggot is.

A man who takes part in conception at the 'wrong time' should be enslaved, but the woman has no responsibility in the same conception, and should be rewarded for her stupidity????

Manginas like Guthrie are the most pathetic faggots in the world.

gwallan

Gutherie said...
Women have been treated like shit for centuries and you're not going to gain sympathy for your cause by touting guys who have to pay child support for being too stupid to wait for the right situation to reproduce. Not when any n00b feminist with half a brain can come back at you with graphic pictures of female genital mutilation.

That seems to be Gutherie's shortcoming. (S)he seems to have fallen hook line and sinker from the revised feminist history.

In fact women have been pedestalised in the west for some two centuries now and counting.

That western women claim the mantle of oppression in the face of the real oppressions that have beset classes and castes of people - men, women and children - through human history is a disgrace. It's insulting to the genuinely oppressed.

Suggest you peruse some of the case studies here for a slightly less varnished or blinkered view of human history.

In the meantime an historical footnote for you...

After the English fleet won a famous victory over the Spanish Armada on behalf of Elizabeth I she denied them permission to port. It seems she'd not expected many survivors so no allowance had been made for their pay. The bulk of the navy - many of whom had been press-ganged - spent more than a year circumnavigating the islands whilst thousands of men died from either the after effects of their "great victory" or from disease or starvation.

Today we can be more subtle. For example the tiny relative attention and expenditure paid to mens health and wellbeing today is actually a benefit in the future. That way we can spend less on pensions down the track. It's a great investment.

By the way, Gutherie, virtally the very first experience of my life was having bits of my genitals hacked off. I happen to have a video of a routine hospital circumcision I'd be willing to share with you. Interested?

Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c)

Posted by: Kate McG | November 28, 2010 at 06:59 AM
"Please have an open dialogue about feminism with someone who has studied it before you start gender-normalizing feminism as "lunacy" and get a history lesson on what feminism is up to these days"
Hey Stupid Kate? Feminism is a key part of the depopulation program developed by the Illuminati to cull back the number of people on THEIR planet using THEIR resources. Nothing more. Nothing less. You women are too stupid to know what it really is you are dealing with.

And in any case? I'm putting an end to wimminz privilege via the book written through me called 'living free in a fam-nazi world'. Here is the link. Have fun sending it to all your fem-nazi friends.
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/58/scope/threads/Default.aspx

Posted by: Kate McG | November 28, 2010 at 06:59 AM

Posted by: Gutherie | November 28, 2010 at 04:
"Let's use my life as a great e xample of how you can not believe conspiracy bullshit like this, respect women and still have great sex. I have a long-standing girlfriend, with whom I have a completely open relationship. We have all the emotional and life attachments of marriage, but we are both able to have sex with whoever else we want. We are not legally married. We have agreed to not have children. If she dumped me tomorrow, I would not lose a dime"
In MANY countries you would lose 70%+ under these conditions you idiot. That you THINK you are not legally married makes no difference. For example, in Australia there is no longer even co-habitation for a woman to claim a mans property. There need only be the ALLEGATION of a relationship, not even substantial evidence of it. You, sir, are an idiot. You are also a man-hating, white knighting mangina apologist. You are beneath contempt.

"So, what I'm trying to say is: stop whining like a bitch and pretending these are social issues. They aren't."
So the estimated 4,000 men per year who kill themselves from the abuse of the FC in Australia should just "stop whining like a bitch and pretending these are social issues"? Men like you disgust me.

Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c)

Posted by: Gutherie | November 28, 2010 at 06:41 PM
"Not when any n00b feminist with half a brain can come back at you with graphic pictures of female genital mutilation."
You are obviously too stupid to know about circumcision of males which is FAR more widely practiced in the western world than ANY female genital mutilation. Indeed, women have had FAR better lives than men for ALL recorded history due to the Illuminati invention of 'marriage' which was, quite simply, the welfare system for 'women and children' by enslaving men.

'Marriage' has always been about enslaving men so as to use their excess energy over their own needs to benefit 'women and children'. I know you are too stupid to understand such things...but here is my woolly mammoth story which might even be simple enough for an idiot like you to comprehend.
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/58/threadid/577/scope/posts/Default.aspx

Cheetah

Wow! You, Guthrie, are a moron. If you read a few posts above, Peter Feller and I have provided examples which illustrate clearly how Western women are protected at the direct expense of men. The Futurist makes his point bulletproof by providing valid statistics and referencing articles and studies for pretty much every claim that he makes.

I have not been screwed thus far in any relationship or by any woman so you can't label me as a bitter guy. I pick and choose a woman to emotionally invest myself in very carefully. Not so much the ones I sleep with.

What you need to realize is that you will get screwed and only that will cause you to figure out that the system is messed up. I believe that it is better to prevent such loss rather than learn only after I get financially screwed. Guys like The Futurist are trying to help fellow men. You are either blind to the facts or pussy-whipped into submission.

Along the same lines, every friend that I have shown this article to relates to it and can point to events in their lives or in their friends' lives to show how valid The Futurist's points are. You really need to read it properly and open your eyes to the obvious.

Tanya

I am at a coffee-shop right now and a guy just showed me this article after having a nice conversation with him. I have only read the executive summary but that is enough to know that the author is spot on. Feminism has gone too far. They have not just crossed the line, but are dancing on the other side. I am afraid that come war or famine or any other natural disaster, we girls are going to be in in big trouble. We are used to being handed everything on a silver platter. When men just cant take it any more, they will hit back hard and stop providing for us completely. Men are very logical too, and if they get together and tackle this feminism issue in a logical and scientific manner, it might be a bad time for us.

I, for one, think it's unfair how the Family court system works and how women not only get the child but also a large portion of the man's worth and future income. That is simply unfair and provides incentive for us to leave a marriage when the cards are not looking too good. And men who can see one step ahead realize very quickly that marrying in the US is a very bad bet. It's no wonder that so many of us girls are left alone in the cold by the men that we love.

Feminists should go to other countries and help women who really need it instead of continuing to oppress men in the west. Thanks for some of the work you did for us, feminism, but we have had enough of you for a while. Go where you're needed and leave us in peace.

Savethemalesfuturist

Jackson and cheetah, I don't have to keep repeating this virtual girl and robogirl deal. Ive said plenty in my previous comments. I also discuss this and the other horsemen plus the five sirens. Lots of men are falling for her pussy power and seduction. Check my blog: http://www.opendiary.com/entryview.asp?authorcode=D847407&entry=10002&mode= Feel free to leave a comment in my blog.

Guthrie is a mangina and has been brainwashed by feminism. I hope he gets used by women and gets his brains and balls back oneday.

Peter-Andrew, thanks so much for your facts. Let me quote this one: But what of the young men? Well? A strong young man does not need to kill a woolly mammoth to feed himself. He can go and catch a rabbit or two and do quite well. Why in hell would he risk his life to kill a woolly mammoth when he can feed himself quite easily with almost no effort on his part?

Well, the OLD MEN of the tribe know that in order for THEM, the women, AND the children to be fed the YOUNG MEN of the tribe have to do all the work of collecting food. So the OLD MEN of the tribe brainwash the YOUNG MEN of the tribe into the idea that THEIR SPECIFIC WOMAN is SOMEHOW SPECIAL and that the most honourable thing he can do is labour as best he can to feed HIS woman and children. Oh...and he has to pay 'taxes' of a little meat so the OLD MEN who are organising everything can be fed as well. Right?

So the OLD MEN invent 'love' and they brainwash the YOUNG MEN into 'love' and 'devotion' and 'dedication' and 'commitment' and 'honour' and 'integrity' all those nice words that we hear shoved downs men’s throats so often but which women know full well do not apply to THEM. After all, a woman can break her wedding vows and commit perjury with complete impunity, right? It is a woman’s prerogative to change her mind, right?

My comments: This is why I don't believe in love and will never marry nor have children. I made this choice when I was around 14. I totally agree with you that going your way and staying single makes you a freeman. Feel free to check my blog(link above)

I disagree with GK on several points, including this one: Another positive ramification of advanced adult entertainment technologies is that women will have to sharpen the sole remaining attribute which technology cannot substitute - the capacity to make a man feel loved.(I don't believe in love and Peter points out love was invented)

Tanya, feminism will backfire and hurt women. It's already happening and will get worse. You are a rare woman who understands what feminism really is and can see their lies.

cheetah

btw, I love banging feminists. Giving it to them really hard so they can't even walk properly the next day. Sometimes, I don't even know that I've been banging a feminist until they meet one of my quasi-feminist friends who wonders wtf she is doing "with" me. I love the look on my friends face. She is wondering how is the world is it possible for the girl not to know that I am the polar opposite of a mangina that they claim to put up so high. It's so obvious that the feminazis cannot even follow their own advice and go for a guy like me who keeps bashing their convictions and their pussies. I love my life!

Valerie

Depopulation is an awesome idea and one that I've had for quite some time. Although it is radical I believe that we should start depopulating the male gender. Nature tries to do this anyway for us, by giving men anger, aggression and stupidity in spades, many behave like morons and beat each other to death or go off to war and murder each other. Nature also selects men for early termination by making them biologically inferior. They are expendible. You only need one man to impregnate several women. I believe that the current population of men is a cancer and not natural. We have the technology now so that we don't have to keep repeating this mistake. We can rid the world of the cancer. For instance the sociopath peter-andrew:colan(c)on this here site who gives all of his power to women and can't stop talking about women ever could be eliminated. One man is good. One hundred men is a cancer.

The Futurist

Valerie,

I believe that we should start depopulating the male gender.

Who is 'we'? Who will execute this? Women?

One man is good. One hundred men is a cancer.

Men have invented just about everything that has ever been invented. Women have invented just about nothing.

Anyway, you should present your idea as widely as possible, so it gets more exposure.

Passing reader

It's easy to find plenty of sources on complaint with any opinion. The article on evolution on conservapedia is filled with them, the research is presented competently, and adequate conclusions are drawn from these data.


Here's where the problem lies - the collective underlying premise of evolution being mythical is complete bullshit. Complete 100% unadulterated bullshit in its rawest form.

I've read here someone named "bleh" who pointed out plenty of illogical statements, and I've seen the author address one or two and utilize ad hominem to convince people (and I suppose himself) that he addressed all of them.

"You typify a white knight, show me any actual grievances within the article himself."

His status as a "white knight" is irrelevant, and he actually copied and pasted individual points from the article and refuted them. This is, in fact, how academic criticism works. Saying "because you're on the other side, your arguments hold no weight by default and you have much more work to do than anyone else in getting me to engage in a debate with you" is ad hominem and purely sophomoric.


You seem to betray men as more visceral than women, but any psychologist, especially criminologist will tell you this is simply false. This is a very simple premise. There is a very good reason as to why "men can't handle commitment" is heard everywhere. Believe it or not, it comes from actual human experience.

Who initiates the divorce does not even matter. It's a somewhat cunning tactic (although I'm positive you didn't do it purposefully) because people who aren't misogynists would have the first instinct to prove you wrong by proving the statistic wrong.


This, however, is the wrong approach. Who initiates the divorce doesn't matter. The problem arises with whose shortsightedness, whose unfaithfulness, whose incompetence, whose abuse drove the other to seek a divorce. Even if women are more likely to initiate a divorce, men are more likely to be abusive towards their wives. Doesn't this give the woman a very good reason to seek divorce? I'm sure you'll ignore this sentence completely due to your selective reading, but I'm not claiming that all divorces are a result from abuse. However, a fraction of them definitely are, and much more than a man seeking divorce because he is getting beaten by his wife.

In summary, women have more reasons in our society to seek a divorce, so, if they do have higher numbers of divorce initiation, it makes perfect sense. There is no malice present in this statistic and you are going far out of your way to vilify women. I don't even know if this statistic is important, and I have no interest because it is completely unimportant. It does not help the case of a misogynist as yourself or a feminist as myself.


As for something else, yes, men are expected to play a certain role in the sexual dynamic. Yes, there is plenty of peer pressure. This is more present for women, hence why more women suffer from eating disorders and the like. Just as Japan has higher suicide rates than in the US because of the more stringent expectations of people in Japan. It's very basic psychology. You seem to think that the psychology between men and women are somewhat interchangeable wherever it's convenient in your essay for you, but any psychologist can tell you this is complete bullshit. Yes, you can boil it down until the differences are removed, but at this state gorillas and other organisms belong in the same cauldron.

As I was saying, it's true that men are pressured into a role, but the reality is that they are pressured into the DOMINANT position. Now do you realize why people like myself have little sympathy for males subject to peer pressure? It would be something like me being pressured to accept a 10 million dollar reward for research I didn't do. Sure, I was pressured, but it is ludicrous to feel sorry for me. My quality of life simply did not go down at all by way of my acceptance of this role I was pressured in. You are being selectively empathetic, and any psychologist can tell you that this is a trait of immaturity; and I mean that literally, as in the trait of someone who possesses an immature brain. Children do this all of the time but adults should be beyond this because, if they were to utilize the lot of their fully developed brain, they would develop unbiased empathy.


I am a young man, and I am a feminist. I also have a loving girlfriend that I enjoy to spend time with and I'm getting along fairly well. I'm working towards a double major in physics and philosophy and I don't personally make very many enemies. I'm getting along fine socially and, so far, everything is on track. Care to use the same tactic you employed several times above and claim that "feminism" always leads someone to become a bumbling, dysfunctional retard?


There are plenty of radical feminists that do make logical leaps and thus have unfounded philosophical tenets. Of course there are radical feminists that make incompetent arguments - any ideology has radicals that don't make sense. Proving that these radical feminists exist does not mean that every feminist typifies the same incompetence. That being said, there are far, far more misogynists than misandrists in the world. Read any textbook on psychology, sociology, criminology, religion, world history - all of the data is there.

There are also far, far more radical misogynists than radical feminists. You single out the feminists because of your sexual frustration, but the numbers are not even comparable. Becoming a misogynist is now sadly a natural course of psychological evolution because of popular culture like the bullshit floating around in hollywood and all of the lecherous music being so commercialized. Hedonism is now a culture in itself, rather than a philosophy. Hedonism and misogyny always go hand in hand. Always. There is no other way for men to not feel bad about being hedonists, thus they adopt misogyny for justification. All because they're convinced restraint and discipline is something like burning acid.

Misogyny is much more mainstream, objectifying women is how ANY public commodity/company/business makes money. Anyone can tell you this. Even businessmen will tell you that showing a picture of a young woman on anything they are selling gives a larger profit. Misogyny and the objectification of women is much, much more common than the inverse. The difference is barely comparable.

The Futurist

Passing Reader,

There are major flaws in your statements.

The problem arises with whose shortsightedness, whose unfaithfulness, whose incompetence, whose abuse drove the other to seek a divorce. <

No it doesn't. Women divorce because it is profitable for them to do so. Your theory falls flat in light of the fact that divorce rates before 1970 were just 10%, while after that rose to 40%. What changed? The laws did.

There are also far, far more radical misogynists than radical feminists.

Wrong again. For each man who is really a misogynist, there are thousands upon thousands who do the opposite of misogyny - the pedestalization and pampering of women.

Misandry is vastly, vastly more common than misogyny in America, as the article already proves with support.

Now, if you expand the definition of 'misogyny' to 'not being attracted to ugly women' or 'not being willing to spend his own money on women', that is the bad-faith action you are taking in order to rationalize the existence of non-existent misogyny.

You single out the feminists because of your sexual frustration,

Nope, I actually have success with the best looking women, through my competence in seduction and pickup artistry. Your garden-variety shaming language is so threadbare that it is obvious that it is because of YOUR frustration projected outwards. This is also pre-empted in the article itself.

I am a young man, and I am a feminist.

You have little idea of what you support, and truly zero idea of what makes a man attractive to women. The way you identify yourself proves this.

Re-read the main article, because it already refutes all your statements. Particularly the section about pedestalizers and girlie-men - you need to read that often.

Passing reader

The Futurist, do you know how women are treated in third world countries? I suggest you read into it.


The contagion of supermasculinity is far more puissant than misandry. More people can define misogyny than misandry. Through out world history, there have been thousands times more misogynistic laws than misandristic laws. I've taken a course on anthropology this semester, and cultures are misogynistic far, far more often than they are misandristic. Matriarchal societies are, admittedly, more often than the average person thinks, but still fairly rare.


"Girlie men"? Are you a homophobe by chance? I go running every morning and I have a solid frame. I really hate to brag, but I do have above - average physique and I get treated accordingly. I don't get spoiled with the attention or lack of attention, though because I'm perfectly content with my girlfriend.


People train for reasons other than receiving sexual favors.

The Futurist

The Futurist, do you know how women are treated in third world countries?

I have LIVED in what you would arrogantly call a 'third world' country, and know infinitely more about it than you do. Men don't have it much better than women over there either, btw.

At any rate, the article is about Western misandry, and changing the subject to poorer countries is merely a tactic to avoid the direct questions I posed to you.

I've taken a course on anthropology this semester,

Wait, you are just a college kid, who receives feminist indoctrination masquerading as education? That alone tells me you are not qualified to discuss this subject. But the good news is that once you get older, you might see your current views for the utter fiction that they are.


The contagion of supermasculinity is far more puissant than misandry.

An androgyne like you would naturally consider the average man to be 'supermasculine'.

Misandry is vastly, vastly more common than misogyny in the US, for reasons explained both in the article and my first comment to you.

Appeasing women will not get you laid. You may or may not ever figure out how to attract and seduce women, but I just gave you invaluable advice.

A Passing Reader

Are you capable of anything besides ad hominem?

Objectifying women is a form is misogyny. Yes/no? I'm saying yes because it's valuing their bodies over everything else - minimizing their individuality, as you do, and reducing them to utilitarian uses.


I have family in the middle east and I've visited there several times. Don't pull this bullshit with me, women are treated like complete garbage in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, all of the countries where being anything but Islamic will get you killed. They take their misogynistic religious doctrine much more seriously than we in America with Christianity. Even Pakistan is a tiny bit more tame when it comes to women than Iran, but it's still a thoroughly depressing scene.


My point is about misogyny worldwide. It also applies to America as well. Look at any porn site ever made. The sexuality isn't mutual, and far, far from misandristic. It's all misogynistic, violent sex with the women being physically and sexually degraded constantly. There's a reason as to why this exact mode of pornography is such a commercial mastadon. It's because the general misogynistic and lecherous attitude of the male viewers (which make up most of the clientele) demands it. Trends arise for reasons.


My academic status has no bearing on the validity of my points.


Calling me an androgyne isn't helping your case either. Ad hominem and blanket statements have no place in formal rhetoric.


And, again with sexuality? It may come as a surprise to you, but it's possible to be a healthy young man without being a lecher. It is, in fact, possible for a young man like me to be satisfied with the company of a single woman. I'm not interested in expanding my sexual horizons, so not only is your comment useless for your argument, it's not even offensive.

The Futurist

Passing Reader,

You have steered clear of my simple questions, and are merely parroting garbage that has already been debunked by the main article. Don't project your inability to see past your own indoctrination outward.

There are many, many laws in the US that are specifically anti-male, and none that are anti-female, as heavily documented, with sources, in the article. You cannot even admit this, so blind with brainwashing you are.

Your knowledge of the broader world is zero, and you are in no position to discuss it based on feminist indoctrination (masquerading as education) received at a university.

Look at any porn site ever made. The sexuality isn't mutual,

Yes it is. Every adult porn actress in the US is consenting. Thousands of women audition to become porn actresses all the time. How do you explain that?

I highly doubt you are actually a man, and if you are, you truly have no sexual experience with women. That much is extremely obvious. Once again, being a male feminist makes a man repulsive to women.

Go to The Spearhead and make your statements, and ask a lot of questions. You might learn something from the vast real-world experience of commenters there.
http://www.the-spearhead.com

Clarence

Passing Reader:

You might want to take a look at this:

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/stats-on-the-reasons-for-divorce/

Ray Manta

Passing reader wrote:
Objectifying women is a form is misogyny. Yes/no? I'm saying yes because it's valuing their bodies over everything else - minimizing their individuality, as you do, and reducing them to utilitarian uses.

If so, women are engaging in misogyny themselves.

My point is about misogyny worldwide. It also applies to America as well. Look at any porn site ever made. The sexuality isn't mutual,

Well, duh. The men who pay for it do it to meet their own needs, not someone else's. Why should it be any different?


It's all misogynistic, violent sex with the women being physically and sexually degraded constantly.

So is a dominatrix putting her high heel into some guy's crotch being sexually degraded? It's not my cup of tea personally, but apparently at least a few guys are willing to pay for it.

There's a reason as to why this exact mode of pornography is such a commercial mastadon. It's because the general misogynistic and lecherous attitude of the male viewers (which make up most of the clientele) demands it. Trends arise for reasons.

No, it's because of the normal heterosexual attraction of men towards women, something that hasn't changed much in the last 200,000 years. Do you also rail against grass being green or the sun shining?

Ray Manta

Valerie wrote:
Depopulation is an awesome idea and one that I've had for quite some time.

Is that so? Why? Please explain why your idea is superior to Gerard O'Neill's vision of humans breaking free of Earth and colonizing outer space.

Although it is radical I believe that we should start depopulating the male gender. Nature tries to do this anyway for us, by giving men anger, aggression and stupidity in spades, many behave like morons and beat each other to death or go off to war and murder each other. Nature also selects men for early termination by making them biologically inferior. They are expendible.

So are men such as Leibnitz, Newton, and Einstein expendable? How expendable do you think they are compared to a woman such as yourself?

You only need one man to impregnate several women. I believe that the current population of men is a cancer and not natural. We have the technology now so that we don't have to keep repeating this mistake. We can rid the world of the cancer. For instance the sociopath peter-andrew:colan(c)on this here site who gives all of his power to women and can't stop talking about women ever could be eliminated.

But who would bell the cat and carry out this program?


One man is good. One hundred men is a cancer.

So what would the ideal sex ratio be in your opinion?

Roland3337

Passing reader,

Why did you come here? Did you think you'd get some kind of target practice at us 'woman haters'? Is this some kind of assignment for you anthropology class?

I've read thousands of papers written by students like you. The black/white thinking typical of someone under 22 just jumps off the page.

There's also a great deal that you do not know about the men's rights movement. It's tempting to recommend further reading, but I won't waste my time.

I will say this, however: This feminist thing that you've jumped into with both feet is nothing more than a hate movement that has no basis in science. If anything, it is more of a religion, depending on bizarre articles of faith that have no basis in reality.

A good example of that is domestic violence. What feminist researchers/activists say about it, is wildly different from what more objective researchers say.

namae nanka

A Passing Reader if you think Iran objectifies women how they hell do you explain that women there make up the majority of university students; you need to hear this Iranian babe:

http://www.claymath.org/library/annual_report/ar2008/08Interview.pdf


"The sexuality isn't mutual, and far, far from misandristic. It's all misogynistic, violent sex with the women being physically and sexually degraded constantly."

lol never had a woman ask you to fuck her like a little bitch?


"I've taken a course on anthropology this semester, and cultures are misogynistic far, far more often than they are misandristic. Matriarchal societies are, admittedly, more often than the average person thinks, but still fairly rare"

haha, and misogyny is any less "women's rights" than what US of A provides? Keep on believing the shit you read.


"Even if women are more likely to initiate a divorce, men are more likely to be abusive towards their wives. "

What is abuse? And how do you claim this?

And look at the link by Clarence above.

namae nanka

Valerie (Solanas)

"Nature also selects men for early termination by making them biologically inferior. "

How early are we talking of? Maybe boyish childhood, not men. Funny that men's work has increased women's life expectancy, in nature you wouldn't expect women to live longer than men.
Even if you factor in childbirth.

cheetah

Passing reader,

I have visited numerous "3rd world" countries and actually hail from a developing country in which women are, on the whole, without adequate rights and protection. However, this does not make them less happy than women in the west. Believe it or not, the women in the "3rd world", as you like to call it, are generally a lot happier than their counterparts in the west. http://themodernstory.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/young-women-in-india-how-free-how-equal/

In any case, feminists of the west are welcome to go over there and do some work instead of constantly pushing for the passage of draconian legislature against men in developed countries.

There are numerous problems with Western problem with most feminists is that they equate women roles with their rights. Just because you have the right to take a dump in your living room, it doesn't mean that you should do it. The family court systems in North America are extremely biased against men. Just look up any number of case law and you will see that the feminazi judges rule in favor of women almost every time. And assuming that most women are humans and not saints, they will and do make full use of their "right" to screw the man every time.

This is all well and good for women financially and in the short-term while they still have their looks. But once they lose their looks, it is damn near impossible to fool a semi-intelligent guy. Since men can't get forced into marriage, it serves their best interest not to get involved in such a bad bet. This holds especially true for wealthy and successful men because their value is so high that they can get girls very easily. And recently, with the development of advanced game, even the intelligent but not-so-successful men who employ game are having a lot of success with multiple women. The idea of marriage is looking more and more sour to these men. As these ideas gain momentum and men see that a lot of other men also see marriage in the same bad-bet light, they will realize that they are not alone and will be more open to the idea of no-marriage. This is already happening even before reading articles like this one.

This article and others like it have sparked discussions that are way beyond academic. They are changing the lives of men in western countries. Men are now understanding why they feared commitment in the first place.

Bob

"The contagion of supermasculinity is far more puissant than misandry. More people can define misogyny than misandry. Through out world history, there have been thousands times more misogynistic laws than misandristic laws."

Uh huh. I will give you $10,000 if you can show me one picture of women who have been lynched in America because they're female, or one picture of concentration camps full of women in America who have been subjected to experiments and torture and back-breaking labor because they were born without a penis.Hell, one tin type, one daguerrotype, one woodcut of this "oppression".

On the other hand, I can show you pictures of about 100,000 men who have died this century alone because they were men.I can show you pictures of MEN,not women, who have been purposely infected with deadly diseases by the military,men who've been treated like fucking LAB RATS. What is misandry? Just the cultural norm in America since its fucking inception.

How much you wanna bet on your little theory,buddy? I'm confident enough you won't find one picture of LEGITIMATE state-sanctioned oppression of women in America that I'll put my money on the fuckin table.

theantifeminist

A Passing Reader : "Objectifying women is a form is misogyny. Yes/no? I'm saying yes because it's valuing their bodies over everything else - minimizing their individuality, as you do, and reducing them to utilitarian uses.I have family in the middle east and I've visited there several times. Don't pull this bullshit with me, women are treated like complete garbage in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, all of the countries where being anything but Islamic will get you killed. They take their misogynistic religious doctrine much more seriously than we in America with Christianity. Even Pakistan is a tiny bit more tame when it comes to women than Iran, but it's still a thoroughly depressing scene."

Strange. Very strange. If you feel that men sexually objectifying women, which according to your definition seems to be any kind of 'male gaze' towards an attractive women, surely you should see the women of Iran and Pakistan as amongst the most liberated on Earth?

Obviously feminists think that way, otherwise they wouldn't devote 100 times as much attention to issues such as anorexia in young American girls (trying to fatten their sexual rivals) as they do to 16 year old girls being beaten and whipped in the Islamic world for wearing sexy clothes.

Christ, you're even more irrational than a feminist.

You're really so naieve to think women only judge men by some mysterious non-utilitarian value?? Women objectify men as wallets, meal-tickets, disposable bodyguards who are expected to be willing to lay down their very life for them. And not much else. And increasingly as castrated erections : http://www.adameve.com/adult-sex-toys/dildo-sex-toys/realistic-dildos/sp-lexington-steeles-real-black-cock-3009.aspx

By demonising the very essence of men (our sexuality) you're degrading and dehumanizing half the population of the world.

http://theantifeminist.com/the-sexual-trade-union/

A Passing Reader

Are you guys fucking kidding me? Do you have any ideas what rape statistics look like? DO you know how many young women are kidnapped vs. men as a whole?


A woman has at least a hundred times more predators than a man.

In short, plenty of women are kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery (apparently somewhat popular in Russia) - just because there are women.


Cheetah, I don't mean the Hindus in India. Hinduism is not nearly as misogynistic as the triad of Abrahamic religions.


Of course there are anti - male laws. It's because men are more often responsible for the abduction and sexual assault of women. It's a simple cause and effect. It's not a sign of misandary, it's a sign of protection. Quit pedastalizing your own gender and realize there are more than radical feminists and misogynists in legislature.


The influx of female porn actors is obviously due to the overemphasized female sexuality due to modern culture. This is always seen in Hollywood and the like; actresses are more of an image, while actors are more of a franchise.

They are naive to think being an adult actress is all glamor, but once they step in, it's too late. People are far too concerned with politics to let a former adult actress work at their restaurant or business, so finding work elsewhere would be exceptionally difficult. Inside the industry, almost no actress enjoys their job. This usually goes for the men as well - it's a job that looks good on camera but is horrendous in person. The suicide rates of porn actors are fairly high, much higher than any normal profession. This ends up being the only way they can make money after they get their reputation as an adult actress, so this is why they persist in films.


This is why pornstars are horrible actors. They never enjoy what they are doing.


"Once again, being a male feminist makes a man repulsive to women."

You seem fairly adamant in downsizing my sexuality. Are you perhaps insecure?


"Strange. Very strange. If you feel that men sexually objectifying women, which according to your definition seems to be any kind of 'male gaze' towards an attractive women, surely you should see the women of Iran and Pakistan as amongst the most liberated on Earth"

Do I really have to spell out how radical religion is misogynistic? Women are not allowed an identity because men only value their sexuality. Partly out of lechery, partly to get more males out of them. This is why they are not allowed any public expression; they have more rules on what is "modest" what isn't. It's more restrictions. This isn't liberation because liberation is the removal of restrictions.

Women can dress however the fuck they want.


"Women objectify men as wallets, meal-tickets, disposable bodyguards who are expected to be willing to lay down their very life for them."

Strawman. I suppose "women" is metonymical for "feminists". If so, with me being a feminist, shouldn't that mean I hate myself? I'm inclined to degrade and kill myself because of my worthlessness. I don't view myself as disposable and I trust my intellect.

You are all making far too many blanket statements in your arguments. Remember that gender is a coin flip. This is half of the human population you're talking about. "All women" means "3.5 billion people".

cheetah

When we talk about women and feminists, we are referring to western women. Btw, have you been to the UK and experienced their women. Let me tell you, the girls there are among the most self-centered, men-hating, bitches I have ever met. At first, I thought it was just in the touristy area that I was in. But after visiting a lot of different places, I found that even when I was overly nice to the women in the UK, they were nasty to me. My cousins, who live there, said that British women are the worst ones in the world.

Believe it or not, a lot of British guys are going to other places in Europe (particularly Eastern Europe) and meeting great girls who are sweet and respectable. The trend is catching on like wild fire. After a week of experiencing their women, I missed my American girls. I did make some headway after a few weeks but even after I brought a girl home, I couldn't wait to get rid of her the next morning.

And this was all with some intermediate level of game and viewing it all as more of a social experiment. I can't imagine how bad it must be for the poor chumps who live in the UK and have to deal with these bitches daily.

Of course, the women in Pakistan and Iran are treated badly. That's why I support feminist movements in the countries where they're needed. But the feminists have overstayed their welcome here and are pushing for and passing draconian measures against men. It's time they stand up for the women that need it and not try to even it out but suppressing men's rights in the west.

Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c)

Posted by: A Passing Reader | December 17, 2010 at 01:50 PM
"My academic status has no bearing on the validity of my points."

True...you are spouting garbage and all intelligent men know it. I too have travelled extensively in middle eastern countries and I know MANY indian, pakistani, Saudi men, just as an example. NONE of them treat women like crap and NONE of them allow OTHER women to be treated like crap. NONE OF THEM.

As far as men being satisfied with one woman. Go ahead and do what you want. However, as a man who was faithful to one woman for 23 years and one of the best husbands possible I can tell you that in divorce you WILL be treated like crap no matter HOW good you were as a husband. The evidence for this is not refutable and can be found here:

http://www.peternolan.com/Divorce/ScannedDocuments/tabid/538/Default.aspx

Men like you disgust me. Why? Because you are too stupid to listen to the facts of the matter while spouting complete shit.

Ray Manta

A Passing Reader wrote:
Are you guys fucking kidding me? Do you have any ideas what rape statistics look like?

Yeah, I also know that many of them are compiled by dykes, who have ulterior motives. It may shock and amaze you, but some of us are perceptive enough not to believe everything that happens to be written on a NOW pamphlet.


DO you know how many young women are kidnapped vs. men as a whole?

In the US at least, non-familial abductions are a very uncommon event.


A woman has at least a hundred times more predators than a man.

I think you've smoked crack 100 too many times. Men are much more likely as a group to be the victims of violent crime than women.

In short, plenty of women are kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery

(apparently somewhat popular in Russia) - just because there are women.

Why would a country with such a large surplus of women be a hotbed of sexual slavery?


cheetah

Peter,

I just read your letter and I am finding it really hard to digest that the judge awarded 95% to your ex-wife. Isn't the formula supposed to be 50-50? Please let me know what his line of reasoning was.

What's worse is that your letter states that the woman gets property rights after moving in or even claiming to have slept with you. This is insane. What is your government smoking? I will never ever move to Australia and tell all my guy friends to stay clear of that fuck-hole of country. How did congress pass such a retarded law? Or did this happen as a result of common-law (precedent)?

Here is the US, we have a lot of fun fucking and chucking the stupid bitches. Or, if you prefer, you can always...
Bone 'em and disown 'em
Toot and boot it
Sauce 'em and toss 'em
Nail them and bail them
Hit it and quit it

You get the idea. But it looks like if you do this in Australia, the woman takes half your stuff; or in your case, 95% of your stuff. I don't mean to make fun of what happened to you, it's just that I cannot understand how it came to this in Australia.

Squared

Gutherie:

"We have all the emotional and life attachments of marriage, but we are both able to have sex with whoever else we want."

ROFL, yeah, it's definitely the guys here who have problems. Behold, my primitive neanderthal brothers, the modern, enlightened man! He who has absolutely no problem passionately kissing the love of his life mere hours after another man (or three) has ejaculated all over her face.

I would like to thank you on behalf of the human race for choosing not to reproduce, for you, my little simpleton friend, justify the need for eugenic breeding.

phenom-anon

GAME? Like conning women into sex? Being a lothario is not an answer to the problem of misandry.

The Futurist

phenom,

It is not 'conning' you fool. It is self improvement, and it benefits women too.

The article clearly explains this in language simple enough for even you to understand.

phenom-anon

The Futurist,

Really? Ad hominem aside, Game seems like a used car salesman or a conman's tactic e.g. pretending to be something you're not. It is the only part of the article I disagree with.

The Futurist

phenom,

The definition of Game is this, as clearly stated in the article :

The traits that make a man attractive to women are learnable skills, that improve with practice. Once a man learns these skills, he is indistinguishable from a man who had natural talents in this area. Whether a man then chooses to use these skills to secure one solid relationship or multiple brief ones, is entirely up to him.

That is easy enough to understand. Or at least it should be. You must not ignore the multiple mentions of Game for marriages and other long-term relationships.

It is not 'pretending' to be something you are not, any more than shaving, brushing your teeth, combing your hair are.

You should learn much more about the subject and re-assess your opinion. Go to Roissy's and ask lots of questions in the comments. Also go to Hawaii Libertarian, a practitioner of marriage Game. He is really good about answering questions.

That being said, note how in the article, I state that 80% of men just cannot comprehend Game. The number of snake-oil salesmen who act as 'Game instructors' does not help.

Also, the pickup artist is morally superior to the social conservative who sermonizes about marriage, but will never admit that they are holding men and women to very different standards of accountability. At least the PUA is honest about who he is.

Quent

I'd like to point out that Feminism, bad as it is, is just a subset of Equalitarianism. It is Equalitarianism that has laid us low. We'll never get rid of Feminism until we dump Equalitarianism.

Anony Mouse

(test post)

Random

This is a very well written article that described the situation incredibly well. I'm glad I stumbled onto it a year after it was posted as it has opened my mind. In my opinion I see it as women being the symptoms of the disease. The disease is nature itself and the carrier of the disease is feminism. If you compare it to bird flu, feminism is the bird and the flu is hypergamy. Women are merely the symptoms of the bird flu, but not the root cause.

I'm going to try to look at it in a scientific manner. With primates we observe that the phenomena of female primates mating with the top the of male primates is very reminiscent of female human behavior. Why did nature make this happen? Because nature never intended for all males to mate with women in the first place! Only a small percentage of men are required for such a task, the rest of the men must of been there for other reasons during pre-civilization times. This strategy must of worked well 10,000 years ago or we wouldn’t be here today. Maybe there were primarily alpha males during pre-civilization times and beta males began to become numerous once civilization formed and protected their existence, one could only hypothesize our history at this point.

However, one needs to realize that nature is extremely outdated, it has made women attracted to men that would help them survive in an environment that is 10,000 years old. In today’s modern world, an entirely different kind of male would best support a woman and it would not be an alpha male. What kind of male would this be? My guess it would be the ultimate beta male. A male that is intelligent, hardworking and mature, which ironically is a lot of men being handed the short end of the stick today. Eventually, nature will evolve women to be attracted to this type of man, but unfortunately it may take centuries or even millenniums for nature to catch up.

So for all you angry men out there, instead of putting all your anger out at women. Realize that you are merely looking at the symptom. For the disease is nature’s incredibly slow evolutionary pace. It’s sad that feminism pretty much unleashed this disease because prior to feminism, this disease was controlled by society’s forces, with those forces removed, the disease has now run rampant. Feminism in a sense is the carrier of this disease and it has allowed it to spread like wildfire. My main point is that the reason this is happening is very complex and traces back to our evolutionary history and history of our civilization.

Thank you.

Leahn Novash

Since you linked to this article in your new year's article for this year of 2011, I had the opportunity to read it for the first time. It is an amazing article, but I am forced to correct you that the first day of the 201x decade is actually 01/01/2011, not 01/01/2010.

[The Futurist : By definition, a 201x series can include just 10 numerals, none of which is 2020.

Was 2000 part of the 1990s?

Or would you preferred that I delayed the article by one year?]

Aharon

Great article. Great idea on your new piece about posting notices/stickers/flyers above urinals about the Men's Movement. Another place to handout flyers in bulk to people is at the Tea Party Gatherings. I think they'll be receptive to the message.

The Futurist

Everyone,

Note that The Misandry Bubble was mentioned in the New York Times :

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/education/09men-t.html?pagewanted=3&_r=4&ref=education

But the journalist was deceptive. He says that I am wrong to claim that many feminists want to send men to concentration camps, but neglects to note that I link to a feminist expressing such a wish.

So if someone reports feminist extremism, the reporter is called an extremist.

To email Charles McGrath about this oversight, please go here :
http://www.nytimes.com/membercenter/emailus.html

Markus

Great article! Allthough i've used Google translation i've understood 90 percent of it, because the situation as described is the same in other western countries.

In Germany i.e. we have the same situation as people in Switzerland or Austria. But other european Countries like Italy and Spain live this femininstic destroyed environment as well. It only has other wordings like "Gewaltschutzgesetz" or what ever.

It is shocking how similar (i assume 99%) the situation in all feministic and misandric "steared" countries is!

Or political incorrct:
"Men are the (new) Nigger of the World"

Greatings to the USA and take care,
you are not allone ;-)

Markus

Jackson Hoffingdock

*cough*Conservativedrivel*coughcough*

I should really get this cough looked at. And I better get a male doctor or I'm suing on the grounds that women just aren't competent.

The Futurist

Jackson Poppycock,

*cough*Conservativedrivel*coughcough*I should really get this cough looked at. And I better get a male doctor or I'm suing on the grounds that women just aren't competent.

Translation : You are not intelligent enough to make a counterargument, and merely behave in a manner that the article already predicts and pre-empts.

This article is critical of conservatives too. But you would only know that if you had minimal reading comprehension.


CF

This article would be interesting and have a firm point if it were not for "IT IS ALL THE WOMAN'S FAULT ALL OF IT FUCK WOMEN FEMINISTS R DUMB"

hey how about women and men often have an equal part in the destruction of a relationship?

How about feminists are not ballbusting bitches out to get THE POOR MEEEEN and in fact are focusing on Rape Culture and the misogyny that's still ingrained deeply into our culture? Misogyny and misandry is like the earth's core and the layer of magma surrounding it.

In media even, hell, it's dominated by ~sexy~ girls that by the end of the movie only end up as extremely highly regarded trophies for the men to achieve. The more saucy and independent she is, the bigger the achievement!

Yes, you have explained the issue with misandry beautifully and I appreciate you addressing it so well, but then you were a misogynistic douchebag and then WELP. The rape trivialization was a really nice touch.

Jay Hammers

That's awesome, Markus, that you were able to read the article with a translator.

It's not surprising that when a country is westernized, the same thing happens no matter who the inhabitants are. Groups of human beings are not that different, really, unless you're comparing women and men, who tend to be very different.

The Futurist

CF,

but then you were a misogynistic douchebag and then WELP.

Yawn...namecalling is evidence of you not having any real points, as the article pre-emptively explains.

Oh, and 41% of all rape accusations are false. You don't seem to mind sending an innocent man to jail.

There is no real misogyny in America (except by women against other women, like Sarah Palin). Misandry, on the other hand, is rampant.

it's dominated by ~sexy~ girls that by the end of the movie only end up as extremely highly regarded trophies for the men to achieve.

Ah..now you have revealed something about yourself - you are jealous of women who are attractive to men.

Men do not have an obligation to appease unattractive women. Sorry.

Stephen

Hi Futurist,

I just wanted to say, having read the article for the first time last year, that you are a 100% right! I think future generations will look back at the Misandry Bubble as a great achievement. I think Western men, through game and foreign wives and international relocation and even the gradual collapse of the old egalitarian regime, are slowly winning this sick feminist caused war of the sexes. I also love how you deal with the leftist morons, women, and white knight faggots who write in to bagger you. Cheers!

Joe Average

I blog about American women. I read tons of material like this each week, not excluding videos, blogs, books, etc.. THIS article details everything perfectly, but it's so long. I don't know who heard of the guy who got himself in the news recently for his- Boycott American Women blog. But MY blogs ended up in the news as well last week. You can write til you're blue in the face, mincing words, and being polite, but the message is missed by women. Men are high fiving around the planet.

Some years ago. After better acquainting myself with foreign women. I did some research on foreign girls. WOW! NEW world opened up. I started paying closer attention to who my friends and associates were--and who they had married. I was not shocked to learn half of them(literally)had parted ways with their domestic wife or girlfriend, and found a foreign replacement. And, happily ever after..

Long story short. Men have quietly shifted toward foreign females, to avoid all this article represents. Since around 2001 this became more prominent. By 2004, it had gone viral and they had a slogan that stuck like glue- American women suck.

Those whispered 3 little words have done more for shamed and scorned men than any other factor. Thus, the foreign bride service went through the roof, out of control, and unmanageable. In 1985 there was 1. Their numbers are so great now, no one can calculate how any. That's the truth. They are popping up like weeds--hourly. Foreigners learned the state of affairs here. Supply and demand. You do the math from there.

By 2005 the Fed steps in with a hard core feminist sponsored law called IMBRA. This was only meant as more control, as wised up men flocked to foreign girls by the 100's of thousands each quarter, and eventually millions. It what was dubbed "The global dating revolution". IMBRA imposes so many barriers to obtain a foreign wife that it's clearly insanity and control. It protects no one from anything.

Some nations had to impose moratoriums on bride services and exported women, because the shift was massive! It was truly unmanageable. No one saw this coming.

Why all the hush hush? American women are editors, too. I'm sure this hit the desks of many female reporters and editors who saw the content and said NO WAY! We are NOT reporting that. But it needed no publicity. The water cooler and the barber shop are as good as any internet source.

I figure it took American women about 4 decades of Gloria Steinem to get themselves in this mess. It'll take about 4 more decades to get out of it.

Bottom line: American women have zero humility. That's their #1 curse. They are horribly spoiled, and thoroughly brainwashed by women's magazines and the like.

As I say- "An American women demands respect before she earns it. A foreign woman earns it, and asks for nothing". Hence- American women suck.

American women think they deserve, because the exist. Oh..boy... THAT attitude. SO many of them now, lonely and single, up to age 50 now--never married. And you'll get 20 every 30 seconds who swear they aren't like that--but they are. Just marry her.

My two rules on relationships with modern American women:
1. Dating one is like playing Russian Roulette
2. Marrying one is suicide

And this article fully solidifies my every word. Thank you. But if no one believes me. Then feel free to Google lingo like "American women suck blog" "American women (any negative)"

cheetah

Hahaha! Joe average. You are bang-on man. I love the Russian Roulette analogy. It is 100% true. Although American women (at least the young and hot ones) are good for one thing. And I just can't get enough of it. But always remember to wrap it up or you might just end up shooting yourself in the wallet.

Joe Average

Hi Cheetah.

Thank you. I've been at this on a street level for years now. We don't need too many people from MIT, UCLA, or Harvard to know what our eye's show us each day. When you work international settings, no study needs to be conducted. Foreign women reign supreme. They so far outclass American women in every category.. I'm really surprised we don't see more in the news about it. But I know scores of men who have divorced their American wives and moved on to foreign girls. OR... never have and won't marry an American girl. While the article is lengthy, it's accurate. I don't suppose you've heard of the anti-misandry forum? Good stuff in there.

I wish American women would get on Google before they shot off their mouths in response to this stuff. Their reactions are childlike at best. To be blunt, they all look like perfect asses. NONE of them seems to realize this 10 year old shift toward setting western women aside, and opting in on foreign replacements.

Point being.. How long did they think all this feminist, rotten attitude of theirs would last before men took a stand? before American men would start saying- hey... wait a minute..? It's the modern time, internet and global business are REALLY opening the eyes of American men on American women, and just how duped American men have been. A guy goes to Mumbai, or Beijing for business. He comes back, and 3 weeks later his wife is on the street! THEN (this part is great) he goes into a totally different line of work, marketing foreign women to American men. He handles all the details and facilitates the entire romance, which almost always leads to marriage. It's happening EVERY day, right under the noses of American women. And literally an untold amount of people involved. It's the craziest business phenomena we've seen in ages, and it never reaches the news. I swear, I'd bet those foreign personals rival porn for most viewed by men. I know too many men who admit to it.

Samyo

As a decidedly alpha male, I find the entire article a piece of blaming drivel and indicitive of the precise problem with the planet.

Instead of Men yanging the hell up, they sit with there head in their hands and blame the opposite sex for their woes. The fundamental issue with this entire planet is our lack of personal and self responsibility which can be clearly traced back to the infantile belief in some external daddy in the sky.

As humans we fail to inquire into the fundamental question of "Who am I". If we bothered to question this fundamental idea, instead of simply prescribing to the BS "Father knows best" obscenity of the last 2000 years then perhaps we could grow as men and as a society.

At which point we could drop the entire debate about the sexes and instead acknowledge that we all have gifts to offer life regardless of whether our sexual organs are inside or outside.

The Futurist

Samyo,

As a decidedly alpha male,

Extremely unlikely.

Instead of Men yanging the hell up, they sit with there head in their hands and blame the opposite sex for their woes.

This proves it. You are most certainly not an alpha male. You fail to admit the basic reality of the judicial and legislative process being rigged against men.

An alpha male would worry about false rape accusations. This alone proves you are not one.

instead of simply prescribing to the BS "Father knows best" obscenity

Are you arguing that fathers are not necessary? Go see the film 'Boyz N the Hood'.

Boris

Perhaps you will find these articles of interest. We might be kind of on the same page.

http://www.singledudetravel.com/2011/01/the-diamond-ring-scam/

http://www.singledudetravel.com/2010/11/american-girls-suck/

Joe Average

I totally disagree with you, Samyo. I'm an alpha male, and probably to the extreme. Having women? Not a problem. But do you think I'm legally allowed as an American male to be one? Women have gone to the extreme, too. In the courts. Today's modern dame has every expectation that she will run a man's life and keep him under her thumb until death. There's nothing "mutual" about the relationship. It's all about her!

This isn't about men, because we haven't changed in the last 10,000 years. But WOMEN, from about 1967 sure did!

Cogsdev

This was a great article! I learned so much that I didn't know before, and it truly has blown my mind about the reality of what is going on in society today!

Good job!

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